1 00:00:00,359 --> 00:00:20,590 foreign 2 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:40,560 [Music] 3 00:00:52,190 --> 00:00:48,830 game is rigged change the game changer 4 00:00:55,970 --> 00:00:52,200 I occasionally think how quickly our 5 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:55,980 differences worldwide would vanish if we 6 00:00:59,610 --> 00:00:58,620 were facing an alien threat from outside 7 00:01:01,420 --> 00:00:59,620 this work 8 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:01,430 [Music] 9 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:04,199 [Applause] 10 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:06,840 this is Fade to Black with your host 11 00:01:10,370 --> 00:01:09,720 Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio 12 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:10,380 Network 13 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:11,840 [Music] 14 00:01:15,370 --> 00:01:12,870 foreign 15 00:01:17,570 --> 00:01:15,380 [Music] 16 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,580 to Black 17 00:01:23,149 --> 00:01:19,740 I'm your excuse me church today is 18 00:01:26,149 --> 00:01:23,159 Monday June 19th and tonight Dave Beatty 19 00:01:28,969 --> 00:01:26,159 is with us Dave of course uh we're all 20 00:01:31,670 --> 00:01:28,979 familiar with the Dave's work 21 00:01:34,969 --> 00:01:31,680 um and tonight we are he's a director 22 00:01:38,569 --> 00:01:34,979 he's a filmmaker he's a media specialist 23 00:01:42,350 --> 00:01:38,579 but he's also a UFO and UAP investigator 24 00:01:44,030 --> 00:01:42,360 and and researcher done a lot of work on 25 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:44,040 the subject I could read through his 26 00:01:50,929 --> 00:01:47,520 entire bio but uh I won't do that I will 27 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:50,939 say this though it was his work on the 28 00:01:54,490 --> 00:01:53,520 Nimitz encounter that caught my 29 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:54,500 attention 30 00:02:00,710 --> 00:01:57,960 and uh ever since then I have been 31 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:00,720 following every step of Dave's work and 32 00:02:06,410 --> 00:02:03,360 everything that he releases he sends me 33 00:02:08,210 --> 00:02:06,420 stuff from time to time too as well and 34 00:02:09,469 --> 00:02:08,220 uh so we're going to get straight to it 35 00:02:11,150 --> 00:02:09,479 tonight today we're going to talk about 36 00:02:12,490 --> 00:02:11,160 29 Palms 37 00:02:15,350 --> 00:02:12,500 uh 38 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:15,360 flares yeah 39 00:02:20,150 --> 00:02:17,760 a giant triangle we might jump into the 40 00:02:25,210 --> 00:02:20,160 Nimitz encounter and of course uh Dave 41 00:02:28,729 --> 00:02:25,220 gresh uh who is as well should I say 42 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:28,739 revealed himself as a whistleblower uh 43 00:02:31,430 --> 00:02:30,060 two weeks ago and I'm going to get 44 00:02:33,229 --> 00:02:31,440 straight to it tonight and say Dave 45 00:02:36,229 --> 00:02:33,239 welcome back to fade to black how you 46 00:02:39,020 --> 00:02:36,239 doing Jimmy it's great to be here man 47 00:02:41,449 --> 00:02:39,030 chunk of bra you know 48 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:41,459 [Laughter] 49 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:42,319 um 50 00:02:47,570 --> 00:02:46,560 Dave I what we should have done the real 51 00:02:50,750 --> 00:02:47,580 show 52 00:02:53,630 --> 00:02:50,760 is we should have done a live stream of 53 00:02:57,830 --> 00:02:53,640 the last 30 minutes that that that that 54 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:57,840 was gold that was gold that was gold 55 00:03:03,229 --> 00:02:59,700 um sometimes we have to pray to the 56 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:03,239 production Gods you know like please you 57 00:03:09,949 --> 00:03:05,340 know here's here's the see the smile on 58 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:09,959 my face I I don't get upset anymore uh I 59 00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:13,920 don't uh we had a a technical issue and 60 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:16,500 here's the thing 61 00:03:22,309 --> 00:03:18,840 um I'm gonna tell everybody what 62 00:03:24,309 --> 00:03:22,319 happened we lost one channel okay all 63 00:03:27,589 --> 00:03:24,319 right so we lost one channel now 64 00:03:29,890 --> 00:03:27,599 especially in a studio like this but any 65 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:29,900 Production Studio 66 00:03:37,809 --> 00:03:34,200 when something like that one channel 67 00:03:41,750 --> 00:03:37,819 could be any cable right it could be 68 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:41,760 anything anywhere and you have to chase 69 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:46,319 it down and in this case it was the main 70 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:49,860 mix button on the console I just at the 71 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:52,799 end of everything we were 10 seconds to 72 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:55,260 show time and it's like okay let me hit 73 00:04:00,890 --> 00:03:57,120 that and I heard it crackle and then 74 00:04:06,170 --> 00:04:00,900 boom it was it was a button shorting out 75 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:06,180 and and you know and it's just oh man 76 00:04:11,630 --> 00:04:08,580 and Dave said the funniest thing uh to 77 00:04:15,370 --> 00:04:11,640 me he said in this digital world we 78 00:04:17,629 --> 00:04:15,380 still have analog buttons 79 00:04:19,370 --> 00:04:17,639 that was that was right before you're 80 00:04:21,409 --> 00:04:19,380 like okay we gotta cancel tonight Dave 81 00:04:23,870 --> 00:04:21,419 sorry man you know I can get you on in 82 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:23,880 like three months it came down to that I 83 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:26,880 go Dave you want to do a show on Friday 84 00:04:33,409 --> 00:04:30,780 I'm looking at the clock it's like 15 14 85 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:33,419 13 Dave's like I'm out of the country on 86 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:36,960 Friday then and I hit that and boom Dave 87 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:39,660 we're going live right now and it's so 88 00:04:46,909 --> 00:04:43,380 funny we still have analog buttons all 89 00:04:48,409 --> 00:04:46,919 right here okay let's I'm so excited uh 90 00:04:50,530 --> 00:04:48,419 to have you back on the show let's get 91 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:50,540 back 92 00:04:55,610 --> 00:04:53,820 okay the last 30 minutes we can uh put 93 00:04:59,870 --> 00:04:55,620 that behind us 94 00:05:02,930 --> 00:04:59,880 um the the world of UFOs 95 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:02,940 and I I just wish to go back to UFOs by 96 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:05,880 the way and let's get rid of UAP so it 97 00:05:10,010 --> 00:05:07,500 doesn't it doesn't grab people's 98 00:05:11,749 --> 00:05:10,020 attention you say UFOs right people 99 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:11,759 understand exactly what you're talking 100 00:05:18,290 --> 00:05:13,500 about but 101 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:18,300 if you are a historian a student of 102 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:20,280 History especially about the subject of 103 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:23,039 UFOs like I am and like you are 104 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:25,740 the struggles that we are going through 105 00:05:32,510 --> 00:05:28,080 today they've been repeating themselves 106 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:32,520 for 70 80 years right we're literally 107 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:37,080 um on wash rinse repeat but this time 108 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:38,880 around it feels a little bit different 109 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:42,120 to me young man in that we've got 110 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:44,580 everybody involved we've got the media 111 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:46,440 we've got Washington we've got the 112 00:05:52,129 --> 00:05:48,560 Department of Defense we've got all the 113 00:05:54,350 --> 00:05:52,139 intelligence agencies and that entire 114 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:54,360 Community involved now we've got 115 00:06:00,590 --> 00:05:57,840 whistleblowers and and hearings all 116 00:06:04,550 --> 00:06:00,600 kinds of crazy stuff and and then Crush 117 00:06:07,249 --> 00:06:04,560 uh surfaces two weeks ago have you ever 118 00:06:10,730 --> 00:06:07,259 seen it like this 119 00:06:13,490 --> 00:06:10,740 no I mean you know usually this topic 120 00:06:15,529 --> 00:06:13,500 area it's like one of those things where 121 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:15,539 it's a dancer you know you're talking 122 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:18,780 about a case from like 10 years ago and 123 00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:20,280 you're still talking about that case 124 00:06:24,409 --> 00:06:22,500 like every other day and and beating it 125 00:06:26,870 --> 00:06:24,419 like a dead horse 126 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:26,880 um now there's so much coming down the 127 00:06:31,189 --> 00:06:29,220 pipeline that we don't have enough time 128 00:06:33,770 --> 00:06:31,199 to talk about all these different things 129 00:06:36,290 --> 00:06:33,780 you know what's tomorrow going to bring 130 00:06:38,629 --> 00:06:36,300 I mean really it's like there's so much 131 00:06:39,950 --> 00:06:38,639 that hey if you have the time to reach 132 00:06:42,650 --> 00:06:39,960 there's all this stuff and figure it all 133 00:06:45,529 --> 00:06:42,660 out then you know you can intelligently 134 00:06:47,090 --> 00:06:45,539 maybe hold a conversation but again I 135 00:06:48,770 --> 00:06:47,100 mean I'm trying to catch up just like 136 00:06:54,129 --> 00:06:48,780 everybody else really 137 00:06:56,770 --> 00:06:54,139 now what okay there there's uh Crush 138 00:07:00,110 --> 00:06:56,780 so much has been unpacked 139 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:00,120 if we just get straight to the chase 140 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:03,600 there's two things and then there's one 141 00:07:11,749 --> 00:07:07,860 result but it's flying saucers 142 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:11,759 and Aliens right that's why that's 143 00:07:17,150 --> 00:07:14,580 that's the two takeaways we've got the 144 00:07:19,430 --> 00:07:17,160 craft we've got the bodies on Ice maybe 145 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:19,440 some are still alive I I don't know 146 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:22,860 about that part but this kind of throws 147 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:25,080 things in a whole nother Direction too 148 00:07:31,370 --> 00:07:27,680 as well and you're right 149 00:07:34,189 --> 00:07:31,380 unpacking all of that is it's Insanity 150 00:07:35,990 --> 00:07:34,199 did you expect a whistleblower to come 151 00:07:40,189 --> 00:07:36,000 forward and say that we have intact 152 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,199 alien craft and uh bodies on ice 153 00:07:45,589 --> 00:07:42,840 well I can just say straight up that I 154 00:07:47,930 --> 00:07:45,599 lost 200 bucks because I bet one of my 155 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:47,940 friends online on Twitter there that you 156 00:07:52,129 --> 00:07:49,979 know no one was going to be coming 157 00:07:54,529 --> 00:07:52,139 forward that was a government employee 158 00:07:57,409 --> 00:07:54,539 claiming that there was crash 159 00:07:59,390 --> 00:07:57,419 retrieval programs and so on this is 160 00:08:01,129 --> 00:07:59,400 this rumor has been going on for a long 161 00:08:02,809 --> 00:08:01,139 time specifically within the UFO 162 00:08:05,450 --> 00:08:02,819 community and I've always been sort of a 163 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:05,460 skeptic of it and so I'm like I felt 164 00:08:09,469 --> 00:08:07,440 pretty good odds that I could bet a 165 00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:09,479 couple hundred bucks at least I didn't 166 00:08:13,070 --> 00:08:11,520 lose a grand which I was kicking around 167 00:08:16,249 --> 00:08:13,080 a little bit but 168 00:08:17,870 --> 00:08:16,259 um that would have hurt way more so as 169 00:08:20,270 --> 00:08:17,880 long as this guy turns out to be 170 00:08:21,770 --> 00:08:20,280 legitimate in his story continues to 171 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:21,780 check out or else I'm going to get my 172 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:23,400 200 bucks back 173 00:08:27,589 --> 00:08:25,680 so that's kind of what I I did not 174 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:27,599 expect that at all for sure it was a 175 00:08:35,269 --> 00:08:32,279 total surprise now there is uh we've got 176 00:08:38,870 --> 00:08:35,279 so much to discuss tonight but 177 00:08:41,870 --> 00:08:38,880 um going back to grush the the 178 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:41,880 statements that he has made and you know 179 00:08:48,949 --> 00:08:46,140 we have to of course uh huge props uh to 180 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:48,959 Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal and of 181 00:08:53,990 --> 00:08:51,360 course Ross culthart with uh the 182 00:08:56,170 --> 00:08:54,000 interview that he did too as well and 183 00:09:00,050 --> 00:08:56,180 you take a look at all of that 184 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:00,060 and you realize especially with the 185 00:09:06,050 --> 00:09:02,519 questions that have been answered is 186 00:09:08,570 --> 00:09:06,060 that he has passed on I don't know if it 187 00:09:10,970 --> 00:09:08,580 was through his attorney or directly but 188 00:09:15,170 --> 00:09:10,980 he has passed on classified documents 189 00:09:18,350 --> 00:09:15,180 that have uh convinced him that we have 190 00:09:20,210 --> 00:09:18,360 uh intact alien so let's just say flying 191 00:09:24,769 --> 00:09:20,220 saucers right we've got flying saucers 192 00:09:28,310 --> 00:09:24,779 and we've got E.T on Ice the it appears 193 00:09:29,829 --> 00:09:28,320 that the same information has been given 194 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:29,839 to Congress 195 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:32,880 and and and caught their attention to 196 00:09:39,590 --> 00:09:36,600 and immediately hearings are are being 197 00:09:41,870 --> 00:09:39,600 called for from Capitol Hill this is the 198 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:41,880 Capitol Hill it's not us yelling for it 199 00:09:48,889 --> 00:09:45,120 what do you think could possibly be in 200 00:09:51,889 --> 00:09:48,899 those classified documents uh for the IG 201 00:09:54,470 --> 00:09:51,899 and for Congress 202 00:09:58,670 --> 00:09:54,480 you know I mean listening to what David 203 00:10:00,650 --> 00:09:58,680 Rush has said specifically is that he 204 00:10:03,710 --> 00:10:00,660 went to the intelligence Community 205 00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:03,720 Inspector General and presented them 206 00:10:09,230 --> 00:10:05,519 with this classified information 207 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:09,240 including the program name 208 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:13,680 and where the material is and the people 209 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:17,060 that he says that he'd independently 210 00:10:23,690 --> 00:10:20,240 corroborated from several of his 211 00:10:25,790 --> 00:10:23,700 long-term intelligence Community allies 212 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:25,800 that he had known as for you know he 213 00:10:31,730 --> 00:10:28,560 said most of his career and presented 214 00:10:33,949 --> 00:10:31,740 that proof as he said to Inspector 215 00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:33,959 General and I guess he's also given 216 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:36,779 briefings to uh you know the 217 00:10:43,490 --> 00:10:38,160 intelligence 218 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:43,500 committee's attorneys so 219 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:46,200 what he's basically saying is he's 220 00:10:50,389 --> 00:10:47,700 provided them with this information 221 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:50,399 although he can't uh review it himself 222 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:53,100 sorry Jimmy hold on that my camera must 223 00:11:01,970 --> 00:10:59,569 that is the best that was awesome that 224 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:01,980 was awesome yeah we have to just cap off 225 00:11:07,370 --> 00:11:05,040 the evening right well I have I have a 226 00:11:09,889 --> 00:11:07,380 cannon you know and it must I don't know 227 00:11:10,910 --> 00:11:09,899 it must just all of a sudden decide that 228 00:11:14,990 --> 00:11:10,920 um it's going to go to sleep or 229 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:15,000 something so I'll make sure okay so 230 00:11:19,610 --> 00:11:17,820 um uh you you mentioned the word 231 00:11:22,910 --> 00:11:19,620 location 232 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:22,920 are we at the point where 233 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:26,279 uh enough is enough let's start naming 234 00:11:30,829 --> 00:11:29,640 names corporations who's working on this 235 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:30,839 stuff 236 00:11:37,670 --> 00:11:35,100 um uh the the sap programs and and quit 237 00:11:38,870 --> 00:11:37,680 Dilly dallying and and let's let's just 238 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:38,880 now 239 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:42,180 start getting to specifics if if there 240 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:44,640 was a classified document that has the 241 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,980 location what you know Lockheed Skunk 242 00:11:50,509 --> 00:11:48,720 Works for instance right it's down the 243 00:11:53,569 --> 00:11:50,519 street from my house 244 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:53,579 um it is that uh is that what you think 245 00:11:58,190 --> 00:11:55,440 was in these documents 246 00:12:00,470 --> 00:11:58,200 I think so I mean he said that the his 247 00:12:01,730 --> 00:12:00,480 contacts that began briefing him and 248 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:01,740 telling him about the the program 249 00:12:05,870 --> 00:12:03,600 specifically we're mentioning defense 250 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:05,880 contractors so he didn't want to go into 251 00:12:10,430 --> 00:12:08,160 any information about that in the 252 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:10,440 interviews that I saw but he said that 253 00:12:14,810 --> 00:12:13,260 the US government has indeed engaged 254 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:14,820 with some of these defense contractors 255 00:12:20,269 --> 00:12:18,120 with this material to allow them to you 256 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:20,279 know not only look at it but probably as 257 00:12:26,329 --> 00:12:23,940 a methodology to keep this uh stuff 258 00:12:32,050 --> 00:12:26,339 secure in these special access programs 259 00:12:37,069 --> 00:12:32,060 out of the purview of other DOD entities 260 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:37,079 before uh you know B BG before grush 261 00:12:43,150 --> 00:12:40,019 right so BG 262 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:43,160 um you know we would look at this uh uh 263 00:12:47,650 --> 00:12:46,079 this material you know little flat 264 00:12:51,170 --> 00:12:47,660 little pieces 265 00:12:52,250 --> 00:12:51,180 it's not like we had the the Pilot's 266 00:12:56,629 --> 00:12:52,260 seat 267 00:12:58,670 --> 00:12:56,639 let alone an intact craft right we've 268 00:13:01,449 --> 00:12:58,680 always looked at little shavings or 269 00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:01,459 metals or drippings or The Meta material 270 00:13:08,449 --> 00:13:05,760 but but now he is taking things to a 271 00:13:11,269 --> 00:13:08,459 completely nether level where he is 272 00:13:15,889 --> 00:13:11,279 saying intact craft 273 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:15,899 uh who what contractor beside well is it 274 00:13:21,530 --> 00:13:18,660 Lockheed Skunk Works uh who would we 275 00:13:23,810 --> 00:13:21,540 expect to have this in their possession 276 00:13:25,790 --> 00:13:23,820 that I mean I that would be my number 277 00:13:27,949 --> 00:13:25,800 one go-to right 278 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:27,959 um you know you could look at maybe like 279 00:13:33,050 --> 00:13:29,880 Raytheon 280 00:13:35,810 --> 00:13:33,060 um as well but I think that people just 281 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:35,820 kind of say yeah Lockheed and you know 282 00:13:40,190 --> 00:13:38,100 to your point the other thing that I 283 00:13:43,490 --> 00:13:40,200 noticed in the last several years was 284 00:13:44,569 --> 00:13:43,500 this effort specifically you know Tom 285 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:44,579 Delong 286 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:46,260 um his company was involved in 287 00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:49,740 collecting all of this publicly held 288 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:53,040 material paying upwards of like thirty 289 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:54,180 five thousand dollars or something like 290 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:56,880 that for Arts Parts and I'm sorry my 291 00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:59,279 camera keeps doing that I I just have to 292 00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:00,540 hit it Jimmy but 293 00:14:03,410 --> 00:14:02,100 it's like one of these things you know 294 00:14:06,650 --> 00:14:03,420 oh yeah 295 00:14:09,769 --> 00:14:06,660 but anyways um yeah so what what do we 296 00:14:11,930 --> 00:14:09,779 what do we make of that you know I'm not 297 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:11,940 really sure what to say 298 00:14:17,750 --> 00:14:16,200 yeah you're referring to Arts Parts 299 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,760 yeah so 300 00:14:22,190 --> 00:14:19,920 when when you look at 301 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:22,200 um when you look at the the number of 302 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:24,480 pieces of metal and so on that were 303 00:14:31,069 --> 00:14:27,300 recovered by the public this stuff was 304 00:14:32,690 --> 00:14:31,079 all sort of grabbed up and put into an 305 00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:32,700 army crater I guess that's what they 306 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:36,480 call it and that stuff was taken and 307 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,680 um I don't know that I think it's 308 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:39,360 classified now I think that Gary Nolan 309 00:14:45,170 --> 00:14:42,779 even said that that material has been 310 00:14:47,269 --> 00:14:45,180 um labeled classified and the people 311 00:14:48,889 --> 00:14:47,279 that have provided that in the general 312 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:48,899 public are not getting it back they had 313 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:51,540 to sign ndas and so on so that's where 314 00:14:56,110 --> 00:14:53,519 all that material that was out there in 315 00:14:59,170 --> 00:14:56,120 the public and most of it's gone now 316 00:15:04,150 --> 00:14:59,180 the um 317 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:04,160 what's your read on on grush 318 00:15:11,030 --> 00:15:08,459 we've we've read the article we've heard 319 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:11,040 him speak we've watched them 320 00:15:17,689 --> 00:15:15,420 how do you feel what's your take on not 321 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:17,699 only his statements but his 322 00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:20,180 believability his his body language 323 00:15:26,990 --> 00:15:23,399 because of the statements that he has 324 00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:27,000 made when you look at his CV right you 325 00:15:32,750 --> 00:15:28,860 look at his resume you look at his 326 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:32,760 decorations his he has a solid 327 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:36,060 background and everything can and has 328 00:15:42,050 --> 00:15:39,660 been checked out on him right so what 329 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:42,060 you what you read is is there a reason 330 00:15:47,990 --> 00:15:45,180 for him to deceive or is it all 331 00:15:49,730 --> 00:15:48,000 disinformation or is he he telling the 332 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:49,740 truth and we really need to pay 333 00:15:54,290 --> 00:15:50,820 attention 334 00:15:56,210 --> 00:15:54,300 I mean I personally think that he 335 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:56,220 believes what he's saying I mean and 336 00:16:01,069 --> 00:15:58,620 that's just a a take of listening to the 337 00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:01,079 guy and watching him speak and so on I 338 00:16:04,490 --> 00:16:03,360 honestly do believe that he believes the 339 00:16:07,129 --> 00:16:04,500 stuff so 340 00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,139 either what this the information that he 341 00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:09,360 was provided since he said he personally 342 00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:12,120 didn't see the craft himself he didn't 343 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:15,060 wasn't given access to these programs 344 00:16:19,069 --> 00:16:17,220 he's taking the word of these 345 00:16:20,990 --> 00:16:19,079 individuals that he say brought the 346 00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,000 information to him so he's a second-hand 347 00:16:26,210 --> 00:16:23,279 witness but you have to either say okay 348 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:26,220 either the material that that he was 349 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:30,300 provided is a you know true and honest 350 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:33,240 um reporting of that program or that is 351 00:16:37,550 --> 00:16:34,980 some type of 352 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:37,560 um counterintelligence operation that 353 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:40,740 has another reason for being in 354 00:16:44,689 --> 00:16:42,779 existence and you know again it would 355 00:16:47,389 --> 00:16:44,699 just be speculation to say well what 356 00:16:49,129 --> 00:16:47,399 what possible reason could the 357 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:49,139 intelligence Community want to present 358 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:51,120 this story to the public really like 359 00:16:55,970 --> 00:16:54,000 this if it's a false narrative and I 360 00:16:58,790 --> 00:16:55,980 mean somebody suggested well this could 361 00:17:00,650 --> 00:16:58,800 be a way to try to find out who's 362 00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:00,660 leaking the information if if we come 363 00:17:04,429 --> 00:17:03,120 out and tell people within the you know 364 00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:04,439 in the intelligence community and 365 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,059 flashlight setting if we tell people 366 00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:08,880 that these programs exist that maybe 367 00:17:12,169 --> 00:17:10,140 they don't it's just kind of like 368 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:12,179 they're dangling a carrot there and then 369 00:17:16,010 --> 00:17:14,160 they try to observe who would go and 370 00:17:18,530 --> 00:17:16,020 leak it to the press or who would go and 371 00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:18,540 tell somebody about this program and 372 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:20,640 then it it kind of ferrets out those 373 00:17:25,970 --> 00:17:23,640 people that maybe uh you know a security 374 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,980 risk so I mean that could be one reason 375 00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:27,959 but it's kind of a weird way of going 376 00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,700 about it and you wouldn't expect the 377 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,679 Inspector General to even take that 378 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:33,780 report if that's the case I mean if he 379 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:35,820 went to to an official Channel like the 380 00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:37,260 intelligence Community Inspector General 381 00:17:42,529 --> 00:17:40,559 made a report that there was illegal I 382 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:42,539 mean he's not leaking it he's saying 383 00:17:47,630 --> 00:17:44,940 this is an illegal activity that's kind 384 00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:47,640 of what his claim was so 385 00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:52,160 there's another part to this the 386 00:17:57,950 --> 00:17:55,320 uh documents are one thing 387 00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:57,960 do you think that he provided images 388 00:18:06,350 --> 00:18:04,010 from what I understood 389 00:18:08,630 --> 00:18:06,360 um that he provide and again I'm a 390 00:18:11,630 --> 00:18:08,640 little bit unclear if some of the people 391 00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:11,640 the first-hand individuals that actually 392 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:14,400 were participants in these programs have 393 00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,380 given testimony I'm not certain that 394 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:18,720 that has occurred he said in his 395 00:18:23,289 --> 00:18:21,419 interviews kind of he he alluded to the 396 00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:23,299 fact that he may have been shown 397 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:25,440 documents he may have been showing some 398 00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:28,620 unusual photos so what does that mean I 399 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:30,179 mean he's skirting around this 400 00:18:35,090 --> 00:18:33,780 information what he actually saw so I 401 00:18:36,770 --> 00:18:35,100 don't think that he had in his 402 00:18:40,130 --> 00:18:36,780 possession anything that he could give 403 00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:40,140 himself to the Inspector General or in 404 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,440 his um you know testimony but maybe some 405 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:45,600 of the people that he you know was 406 00:18:49,490 --> 00:18:47,160 provided this information in the first 407 00:18:52,070 --> 00:18:49,500 place have testified I'm not sure 408 00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,080 do you oh okay one last thing and then 409 00:18:57,169 --> 00:18:54,080 we'll uh move on 410 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:57,179 just exciting times right he's just 411 00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,260 never know the UFO community 412 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:02,880 um I've said I've said it so many times 413 00:19:07,549 --> 00:19:06,000 Dave you have uh been through it uh 414 00:19:11,110 --> 00:19:07,559 right along with us 415 00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:11,120 it just when you think things are 416 00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:14,700 quieting down right just it's just like 417 00:19:21,529 --> 00:19:18,179 this boom you know and it's it this it 418 00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:21,539 it never surprises me anymore you just 419 00:19:27,049 --> 00:19:23,520 never know what's going to happen you 420 00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:27,059 don't and it it seems like for the first 421 00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:28,320 time 422 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:31,980 we are getting somewhere and people are 423 00:19:37,850 --> 00:19:34,980 paying attention right it's just what I 424 00:19:40,490 --> 00:19:37,860 mean what what can we expect next I mean 425 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:40,500 here's the crazy thing you know we've 426 00:19:46,310 --> 00:19:43,220 had some UFO stories that got picked up 427 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,320 national media attention you know CBS 60 428 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:48,720 minutes we've had like the New York 429 00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:51,600 Times and Washington Post in this case 430 00:19:55,549 --> 00:19:53,820 they seem to be keeping a little 431 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,559 distance from it 432 00:19:59,810 --> 00:19:57,600 um which is kind of strange to me but I 433 00:20:01,130 --> 00:19:59,820 mean I guess it's such a bombshell story 434 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:01,140 maybe they don't want to touch it in 435 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:02,580 case it blows up you know and it's like 436 00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,840 one of these things where we're just 437 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:06,000 gonna wait until we have a little bit 438 00:20:10,970 --> 00:20:09,240 clearer understanding that this is true 439 00:20:14,270 --> 00:20:10,980 um and this guy's not delusional or 440 00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,280 being fed lies before we report on just 441 00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:16,080 what he's saying but I mean when you 442 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:19,160 listen to it right off he's saying yes 443 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,320 we have proof that there is non-human 444 00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:24,240 intelligence we've had it we've been 445 00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:26,580 it's been hidden from the US populace 446 00:20:33,289 --> 00:20:29,700 for 90 years is what he said and he said 447 00:20:35,390 --> 00:20:33,299 that's unethical I mean yeah we've had 448 00:20:37,370 --> 00:20:35,400 people claim this before we have Bob 449 00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:37,380 Lazar and you know we've had these 450 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,120 people that have come forward but never 451 00:20:45,409 --> 00:20:42,660 people of his caliber that have 14 years 452 00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:45,419 of decorated uh career in the 453 00:20:50,510 --> 00:20:46,919 intelligence in Air Force communities 454 00:20:52,730 --> 00:20:50,520 would combat veteran you know 455 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:52,740 um you know I mean I don't know that we 456 00:20:58,370 --> 00:20:54,780 have that plus somebody that has gone 457 00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,380 under oath and gone and given um 458 00:21:02,990 --> 00:21:00,480 testimony under oath that could 459 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:03,000 potentially cost some you know criminal 460 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:05,160 charges like us if you lie under oath 461 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:07,440 and so on right perjury and all kinds of 462 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,539 things for doing so so I don't know that 463 00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:11,760 we've ever had a story like this I mean 464 00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:13,380 it's pretty exciting 465 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:18,000 uh the uh you almost went there 466 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:21,240 here's here's the trippy thing 467 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:23,280 um Tucker Carlson 468 00:21:29,330 --> 00:21:26,820 uh right after uh grush came forward I 469 00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:29,340 think it was like two days later 470 00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:32,820 um on his Twitter Channel he goes live 471 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:35,820 and he makes this statement and he says 472 00:21:40,370 --> 00:21:37,340 here we have 473 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:40,380 the biggest new potentially right the 474 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:43,020 biggest news in the history of mankind 475 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:45,960 flying saucers E.T contact right we have 476 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:50,159 EP bodies and no mainstream media is 477 00:21:55,610 --> 00:21:52,620 picking up the story he mentions the 478 00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:55,620 debrief right he says it took the debris 479 00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:58,260 to he said but go go look at the New 480 00:22:02,870 --> 00:21:59,700 York Times go look at the Washington 481 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,880 Post go look at CNN go look at Fox and 482 00:22:06,830 --> 00:22:05,039 and see if they've got this on their 483 00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:06,840 front page and they don't and this is 484 00:22:14,690 --> 00:22:10,020 the biggest story potentially in the 485 00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:14,700 history of the world but yet uh the 29 486 00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:19,220 Palms flares uh well I okay 487 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,100 I might have gotten ahead of my skis but 488 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:24,960 that that certainly got headline news 489 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,799 didn't it the Las Vegas 10-foot aliens 490 00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:31,200 in the backyard right that everybody 491 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:35,400 picked up on that story grush Leslie 492 00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:38,580 Kane Ralph Blumenthal Ross Copart 493 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,700 uh on the back burner why 494 00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:44,159 isn't that really startling I mean I I 495 00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:46,140 started like doing some Google searches 496 00:22:50,510 --> 00:22:48,299 and people should do that about some of 497 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,520 these cases and saying you know and 498 00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:52,799 again uh maybe this stuff is going to 499 00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,020 get picked up but obviously at the time 500 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,419 the story broke it wasn't like you know 501 00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,580 you had normally what you would have is 502 00:23:03,649 --> 00:23:01,679 the mainstream media picking these 503 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:03,659 stories right up and kind of um 504 00:23:06,950 --> 00:23:05,100 re-spinning them 505 00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:06,960 um with their own reporters and so on it 506 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,340 gets picked up by the wire Services 507 00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:11,760 sometimes and then uh spun out again 508 00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:14,159 um you didn't really see that with grush 509 00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:15,600 um I know like you said that you know 510 00:23:21,230 --> 00:23:19,020 Fox News um did pick it up Tucker 511 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:21,240 um but and I even wondered about CNN 512 00:23:27,649 --> 00:23:24,840 somebody said that CNN did finally do a 513 00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:27,659 report on the garage story because I 514 00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:29,820 squashed it though and that was it took 515 00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:32,820 a week right so and then of course like 516 00:23:36,529 --> 00:23:34,380 you said if you're scrolling through 517 00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,539 your CNN you're like um you know 10 foot 518 00:23:39,529 --> 00:23:38,760 alien in Las Vegas you know 519 00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,539 um 520 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,480 you know why why is that I guess that's 521 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:44,640 sort of a kicker feature piece or 522 00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,620 something so then you know the weird 523 00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:48,960 news and they they like those stories 524 00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:51,960 but the ones that seem to be 525 00:23:56,029 --> 00:23:54,600 um more troubling and more 526 00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,039 um I don't know what you would call it 527 00:24:01,850 --> 00:23:59,039 but you know top us defense officials 528 00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:01,860 says that we have recovered alien 529 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,740 spaceships doesn't get played 530 00:24:08,210 --> 00:24:06,480 um it's weird I'm not sure 531 00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:08,220 the 532 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:10,980 um can we talk about 29 Palms 533 00:24:15,529 --> 00:24:13,980 absolutely yeah let's talk about 29 534 00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:15,539 Palms 535 00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:16,280 um 536 00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:21,120 my comment okay I just want to say this 537 00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:23,520 if we go back two years ago 538 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:28,500 to the Flying pyramids right uh flying 539 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:29,900 toasters whatever 540 00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:33,840 and if the if that indeed 541 00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,039 was a flying pyramid that would have 542 00:24:43,490 --> 00:24:40,080 been the biggest news in the history of 543 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:43,500 mankind obviously it had Landing lights 544 00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:46,679 but that story just died and fell off 545 00:24:50,810 --> 00:24:50,039 because it it wasn't flying pyramids 546 00:24:54,430 --> 00:24:50,820 um 547 00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:54,440 from the same source 548 00:25:02,330 --> 00:24:59,340 uh uh a triangle over 29 palms and for 549 00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:02,340 the audience that may not understand 29 550 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,419 Palms is uh it's a marine it's it's a 551 00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:08,520 it's a Marine training based facility 552 00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,580 one of the largest in the world and it's 553 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:13,260 right out here in Southern California in 554 00:25:18,110 --> 00:25:15,900 the middle of the Mojave Desert and 29 555 00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:18,120 Palms is a city 556 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,240 um it's a it's a Marine City that's what 557 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:23,520 it is right and it's out in the middle 558 00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:28,020 of nowhere and uh and that's where this 559 00:25:35,330 --> 00:25:33,480 video that got put out was shot 560 00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,340 um that 561 00:25:40,130 --> 00:25:37,559 the huge news 562 00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,140 and when you started to analyze the 563 00:25:45,289 --> 00:25:42,179 video and you sent me some stuff by the 564 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,299 way uh what what was your immediate 565 00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:46,799 thought 566 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:49,020 well you know when that story first 567 00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,220 broke 568 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,440 um you know when I looked at the the 569 00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,720 imagery it was it was photographs that 570 00:25:57,890 --> 00:25:57,059 were at night and there were a few that 571 00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:57,900 were 572 00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:01,740 um low light camera uh type of shots in 573 00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:03,720 the sky I didn't see in you know 574 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,059 initially there wasn't like video I 575 00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,440 think a little bit of video was released 576 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:09,900 after that but it was a string of lights 577 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,360 in the sky and I mean the first thing 578 00:26:15,529 --> 00:26:14,760 that that I thought was oh that looks 579 00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:15,539 like 580 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:18,980 parachute flares and I had done a 581 00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:22,320 analysis video previously of a an 582 00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:24,539 alleged UAP that turned out to be 583 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,279 parachute flares 584 00:26:30,289 --> 00:26:28,320 um that was filmed in Afghanistan and it 585 00:26:32,269 --> 00:26:30,299 looked similar to me so that was the 586 00:26:33,890 --> 00:26:32,279 first thing and I didn't I didn't listen 587 00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:33,900 to the the whole 588 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,720 um story behind it until later and then 589 00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:38,880 basically the story that was presented 590 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:40,380 was that 591 00:26:46,669 --> 00:26:43,980 um this object wasn't flares because it 592 00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,679 wasn't descending as flares do in the 593 00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:48,179 air it was 594 00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:48,860 um 595 00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,539 hovering stationary in this spot for 596 00:26:56,510 --> 00:26:54,120 over 10 minutes and the first thing I 597 00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,520 did is I looked up parachute flares to 598 00:27:01,610 --> 00:26:59,039 see if that's possible and it's not 599 00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,620 really possible I mean parachute players 600 00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,020 don't are not stationary and they don't 601 00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:06,419 last for like 10 minutes unless there's 602 00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,100 some new classified version that we're 603 00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:10,799 not aware of you know maybe half of that 604 00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:12,779 um and in half of that time and then 605 00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,320 these things are going to slowly descend 606 00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,720 um down and and if they're far away they 607 00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,460 may not appear to be descending very 608 00:27:24,529 --> 00:27:23,100 quickly because you know with distance 609 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:24,539 um that relative 610 00:27:28,909 --> 00:27:27,240 um movement is going to be way less and 611 00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,919 then they said that the people that were 612 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,360 on the ground there were two other parts 613 00:27:34,669 --> 00:27:32,400 of it that they saw an outline of this 614 00:27:36,890 --> 00:27:34,679 giant black triangle 615 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:36,900 um clearly with their eyes that the 616 00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:38,100 camera didn't really pick it up as much 617 00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:39,480 but they said that they could see the 618 00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:42,299 outline of a triangle and they said that 619 00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,220 soon thereafter 620 00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,200 um they were the witnesses and there 621 00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,020 were like 50 Witnesses allegedly that 622 00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,140 were at Camp Wilson watching it they 623 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,260 um saw that the Marines that the air 624 00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:57,840 Marine air basically took off and were 625 00:28:02,049 --> 00:28:00,659 trying to go and intercept this thing or 626 00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:02,059 trying to 627 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,179 go investigate what these lights were 628 00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:08,640 um and that went on for several hours so 629 00:28:14,029 --> 00:28:11,580 they you know suggested that the Marine 630 00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:14,039 had a the Marine Corps had a response to 631 00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,960 this anomalous object that was in in the 632 00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,960 sky so that was the initial story that 633 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,059 came out and that's what was basically 634 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,520 printed in a bunch of news media like 635 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:25,820 the next day or that week 636 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:30,900 and the the incident itself uh was two 637 00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,340 years ago 638 00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,640 that's right um it was April 20th 4 20. 639 00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:37,919 I always remember that and it was 4 20 640 00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:42,419 uh 2021 around 8 30 p.m in the evening 641 00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,179 so it probably was you know quite dark 642 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:47,580 at that point I imagine 643 00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,020 um and what happened was the next day I 644 00:28:56,330 --> 00:28:54,360 mean I started to look into it but uh 645 00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:56,340 John Greenwald of The Black Vault beat 646 00:29:03,409 --> 00:28:59,520 me to it and he went over to the defense 647 00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:03,419 visual information Library where 648 00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:06,960 combat cameraman and public affairs 649 00:29:13,070 --> 00:29:10,200 um Personnel we'll post photos that they 650 00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,080 take of different operations and we CL 651 00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:15,120 we quickly found in John Greenwald 652 00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,679 quickly found that there was a lot of 653 00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:19,140 imagery from that very night and it 654 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,840 turns out that on that night in the in 655 00:29:26,210 --> 00:29:24,059 the week proceeding it that the Marine 656 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:26,220 Corps were involved the Marine Corps was 657 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,220 involved in a a joint training exercise 658 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,200 from integrated defense exercise an idx 659 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:36,720 that involved Marine air in ground 660 00:29:42,850 --> 00:29:39,840 troops and it's called the WTI and I 661 00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:42,860 think it's called the the WTI 662 00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:46,860 421 course and basically what that is 663 00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:49,320 it's um it's part of a weapons and 664 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,779 tactics instructor course they do it 665 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:53,460 every single year it may be three or 666 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,020 four Marine Corps bases around the 667 00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:58,559 country and it involves bringing in the 668 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:02,039 Marine air training element and they're 669 00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:03,899 they already have one there at 20 29 670 00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:07,320 Palms so it's helicopters heavy lift the 671 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:12,419 Ospreys and they conduct air assaults 672 00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:14,820 and they also do heavy lift and they're 673 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,440 practicing their techniques they're 674 00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,960 shooting live weaponry and so on and 675 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,820 right around that night they were 676 00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:23,760 involved in a air a night air assault on 677 00:30:29,690 --> 00:30:26,880 one of the staging bases that they have 678 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,700 in the desert there so the helicopters 679 00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,260 were bringing in Marines they were 680 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,020 Landing they were doing a mock assault 681 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:35,760 on a village they were getting back on 682 00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:38,700 the helicopters so during this exact 683 00:30:44,450 --> 00:30:41,520 time all of this was going on and and 684 00:30:46,130 --> 00:30:44,460 John located a video that I shared with 685 00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,140 you that um you know showed some night 686 00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,200 vision uh footage of the helicopters and 687 00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:52,080 the Marines and at the very end 688 00:30:57,850 --> 00:30:55,020 um you see them launching flares and it 689 00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:57,860 looks suspiciously like the same 690 00:31:02,750 --> 00:31:00,480 arrangement of of lights that we saw 691 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,760 from this story and we and John 692 00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:04,320 basically brought up the fact that wait 693 00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,140 a second how come no one mentioned this 694 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,419 huge major military operation going on 695 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,760 at that very night let alone you know 696 00:31:16,490 --> 00:31:13,740 that week or in the days before didn't 697 00:31:18,529 --> 00:31:16,500 know did anyone like save anything about 698 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:18,539 that I mean I'm just a little skeptical 699 00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,860 when you have that level of um I guess 700 00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:25,679 not mentioning something in a report 701 00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:27,899 um I don't know well two years of 702 00:31:35,169 --> 00:31:31,799 investigation and uh you know for you 703 00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:35,179 and John it was uh took about 20 minutes 704 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:39,960 and that's that's that suspect to me 705 00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:43,980 um but when I looked at if when I looked 706 00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:47,820 at the images okay the original images 707 00:31:51,850 --> 00:31:49,799 that were put out first off they don't 708 00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:51,860 even look like a structure 709 00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:56,100 and Dave I depend on my eyes I do I just 710 00:32:03,289 --> 00:31:58,380 depend on my what am I seeing what am I 711 00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:03,299 looking at and and and and I can base 712 00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:06,120 pretty much everything on on a first 713 00:32:10,610 --> 00:32:07,200 glance 714 00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:10,620 and that is not a structure that is not 715 00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,360 a perfect 716 00:32:16,430 --> 00:32:14,340 or you know what I mean it's not 717 00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,440 everything's out of line it it it 718 00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:19,679 doesn't look right so even trying to 719 00:32:23,870 --> 00:32:21,419 deceive but 720 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:23,880 um with it if it was in a perfect 721 00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:25,740 straight line we've got some issues and 722 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:29,159 let's let's take a look at that one one 723 00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:33,419 clearly is is is is is is is falling 724 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:36,419 faster and is out of place and it's got 725 00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,000 smoke coming off of it and I could see 726 00:32:44,330 --> 00:32:41,580 it and you can see it and it's like 727 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,340 cognitive dissonance right nobody wants 728 00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:46,740 to have proof of something that's going 729 00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:48,779 to take them out of their Lane right 730 00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,539 they don't want to see it so they don't 731 00:32:58,610 --> 00:32:53,760 see it they look at the same image that 732 00:33:00,590 --> 00:32:58,620 I'm looking at but that they don't their 733 00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:00,600 brain is wired differently why did 734 00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,440 everybody take the bait on this I mean I 735 00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:07,200 understand that um Witnesses sometimes 736 00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:09,000 see something they don't understand or 737 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,860 it's something that they're not used to 738 00:33:17,090 --> 00:33:13,140 seeing and even if you're a trained U.S 739 00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:17,100 marine you know member that has lots of 740 00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,019 experience with flares there's always 741 00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:21,779 the case where something happens 742 00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,419 um that's unusual for instance say an 743 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,399 aircraft has a bunch of flares that 744 00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:28,320 they're doing something else and they go 745 00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,880 up to a high altitude and kick them out 746 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,980 so they're not necessarily Illuminating 747 00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,600 the ground maybe they just want it to go 748 00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:36,120 up and practice shooting flares for 749 00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:38,460 instance sometimes they use these uh 750 00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:41,340 balloon launch flares as targets for 751 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:44,220 other aircraft like A-10 they were in 752 00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,460 the other video I did uh the a10s were 753 00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,679 locking up these flares with their 754 00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:52,500 infrared guided missiles so it's a 755 00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,120 Target that they can lock on with a 756 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,220 guided missiles who knows maybe they 757 00:33:59,870 --> 00:33:58,080 went up really high you know five ten 758 00:34:02,090 --> 00:33:59,880 thousand feet and they were dropping 759 00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:02,100 them so it would be more unusual to see 760 00:34:06,289 --> 00:34:04,260 the flares at a high altitude and you're 761 00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:06,299 just not used to seeing it 762 00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,300 um so there's always that I mean for the 763 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,040 guys in the ground I can't say that yeah 764 00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,200 well they're they're obviously lying I'm 765 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,119 thinking when I when I look at a UFO 766 00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:17,940 case oftentimes the Witnesses on the 767 00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:19,560 ground are convinced that they're seeing 768 00:34:24,369 --> 00:34:22,800 E.T I mean most of the time they don't 769 00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:24,379 want to hear anything 770 00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:28,080 that refutes that unfortunately so your 771 00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,419 face was kind of like this um you know 772 00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,940 Kickback from the witnesses that the 773 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,919 minute you try to say that man that 774 00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:36,720 looks kind of like a flare they're going 775 00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:38,339 to hang up on you or not talk to you 776 00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:39,960 anymore because you're not the 777 00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,300 investigator that they want 778 00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:43,679 investigating you know that's going to 779 00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:46,619 explain this so I mean what I did is I 780 00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:48,300 basically went to the Marines well the 781 00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:49,800 first thing I did is I went to the the 782 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,460 photographer that took the the imagery 783 00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:55,800 um that John found and I showed you you 784 00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,240 can find it on the defense visual 785 00:35:02,570 --> 00:34:59,820 information library from that day 786 00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:02,580 basically it was b-roll video b-roll and 787 00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,260 I talked to the guy and he said look I 788 00:35:08,150 --> 00:35:06,359 can't really talk to you because you 789 00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,160 know we're not supposed to talk about 790 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,320 operations or whatever but here's the 791 00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:13,200 name of my uh first lieutenant in our 792 00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,280 shop 793 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:17,220 um over 29 pops so I just went and filed 794 00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:20,220 a foia with the Marines and uh 795 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,740 unfortunately the public affairs office 796 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:24,660 got back to me and said they were kind 797 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,460 of swamped with requests but they were 798 00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,680 going to delay it until July but I'm 799 00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,680 hoping that by providing them with the 800 00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:33,420 photographs that were in the report of 801 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:35,400 the triangle and you know some of this 802 00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:37,260 other information that they can say oh 803 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,900 yeah that was so and so and we worked 804 00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:41,760 those are flares that you know this 805 00:35:46,609 --> 00:35:44,280 pilot was kicking out of this plane 806 00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,619 um on that day at that exact time it has 807 00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,359 to be that I mean that's what I'm 808 00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:50,040 expecting to happen but I mean it's not 809 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:51,119 guaranteed 810 00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:54,660 here's here's the thing all right this 811 00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:57,300 is where I just call it out 812 00:36:05,569 --> 00:36:01,619 with all of the resources that were in 813 00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:05,579 play at that moment if there was a black 814 00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,300 triangle craft not of this Earth above 815 00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,339 29 Palms 816 00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:13,859 all of the Weaponry that could have been 817 00:36:17,950 --> 00:36:16,920 brought down to bear on on that is one 818 00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:17,960 thing 819 00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,180 offensive capabilities all of the sensor 820 00:36:29,329 --> 00:36:26,700 data all of the radar information all of 821 00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:29,339 the FLIR footage all of the cell phone 822 00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:33,540 cameras all of the sensor every it's 29 823 00:36:38,030 --> 00:36:34,980 Palms 824 00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,040 right we would have images of this thing 825 00:36:43,730 --> 00:36:41,099 from every single angle 826 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,740 and we don't have any of that 827 00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,960 there's 9 000 people I looked it up 828 00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,300 there's 9 000 people that live on the 829 00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:51,119 base I mean plus you know for that one 830 00:36:57,050 --> 00:36:52,619 operation 831 00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:57,060 um the WTI weapons tactics instruction 832 00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,820 um there were probably hundreds and 833 00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:01,800 hundreds of Marines if not thousands 834 00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,619 that were all awake that night because 835 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:06,180 they were involved in this training 836 00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,119 operation flying aircraft in that 837 00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:11,400 probably in that same vicinity I didn't 838 00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:13,740 you know correlate exactly where the 839 00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:15,900 lights were and on trying to figure out 840 00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:17,940 which range the helicopters were flying 841 00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:19,260 around but you know they could have 842 00:37:24,050 --> 00:37:21,300 easily flown over there and taken a look 843 00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:24,060 if someone got on the radio and said hey 844 00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:25,400 what's you know there's another 845 00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,900 unauthorized aircraft over the base you 846 00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,060 know we better go check it out I mean 847 00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:31,980 maybe there was and that's what happened 848 00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:33,960 I don't know but I I think it might be 849 00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:37,500 flares and and there's a lot of um I 850 00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,660 would say Pro UFO people that I kind of 851 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:41,640 communicate with and most of them even 852 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,400 said yeah that's probably flares I mean 853 00:37:48,109 --> 00:37:46,020 they're like we're moving on from that 854 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,119 case you know like 855 00:37:52,990 --> 00:37:50,640 yeah it it's 856 00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:53,000 um now here 857 00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:57,420 here's the wacky part okay I've had a 858 00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:02,280 few crazy sightings in in that area in 859 00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:03,660 Joshua Tree 860 00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,839 29 Palms is about 20 miles away from 861 00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:09,119 Joshua Tree if you're going up the the 862 00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:11,339 freeway there so you know it's a 20 863 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:14,040 minute drive okay depending on how fast 864 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:15,720 you're driving 865 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:19,440 I've had giant rock is out there right 866 00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:24,300 and it is uh in for a lot of reasons the 867 00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:28,020 center of the UFO Universe right and 868 00:38:37,569 --> 00:38:32,660 it's so much Van Tassel uh the original 869 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:37,579 uh UFO conventions uh 10 15 000 people 870 00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:41,520 all went down out there for a lot of 871 00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:43,079 reasons there's a lot of sightings and 872 00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:47,700 I've had my own and one night Dave I'm 873 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,800 not going to tell you the whole story 874 00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:52,320 but I see this I'm with a couple hundred 875 00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:55,020 people I see this green it's called a 876 00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:57,480 green Chrome ball I watch this thing go 877 00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:01,400 across the we all did go across maybe 878 00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:05,220 quarter mile off of the ground 879 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:08,339 and maybe for a couple of miles and then 880 00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:11,220 turn and go up to green ball I I don't 881 00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,500 know 50 feet 100 feet I don't know how 882 00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:15,839 big it was and just turn it took about 883 00:39:19,970 --> 00:39:17,099 five minutes 884 00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,980 it went like this and then turned up and 885 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:22,079 then went straight up turned into a star 886 00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:23,760 and then flew away 887 00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,930 my comment 888 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,160 after watching that go down and we're 889 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:33,839 all screaming and hooting and hollering 890 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:36,720 and Laser we all see it and then video 891 00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:40,260 and it's it's all out there but I then 892 00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:41,280 said 893 00:39:48,170 --> 00:39:44,339 29 Palms is right there 894 00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:48,180 we're the Marines all right aren't they 895 00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:50,820 aren't they concerned that something 896 00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:54,359 like this just you know flew across the 897 00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,780 desert floor now or does this happen 898 00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:59,820 every single day and they don't react to 899 00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:00,599 it 900 00:40:08,569 --> 00:40:04,740 now I sound like a a paradox a 901 00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,579 hypocritical Paradox of my own self 902 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:10,560 right where 903 00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:13,020 I I see that and that was my reaction 904 00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:15,960 could it be that maybe there was a black 905 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:18,720 triangle over 29 Palms during military 906 00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:20,579 exercises but it happens all the time 907 00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:22,920 and they just don't give a crap because 908 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,400 that was my reaction it's strange isn't 909 00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:29,280 it I I I I I don't I don't know what to 910 00:40:35,930 --> 00:40:32,579 think yeah I mean obviously you're right 911 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:35,940 I mean and believe me I I'm not trying 912 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,220 to say that there are no UFOs or that's 913 00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,740 my stance or anything like that I I 914 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,140 truly believe that there are anomalous 915 00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:45,960 UFOs out there and there's many credible 916 00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:48,119 stories specifically in that part of the 917 00:40:52,849 --> 00:40:50,460 the United States it's probably very 918 00:40:54,770 --> 00:40:52,859 dark out there in the desert and you 919 00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:54,780 know if you're gonna see a light it's 920 00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:56,040 going to stick out you're going to 921 00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,020 remember it as specifically If It Moves 922 00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:01,500 In ways that conventional aircraft don't 923 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:05,400 maneuver making turns and bopping around 924 00:41:10,370 --> 00:41:08,040 and so on the color of the light I mean 925 00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,380 green balls of light are not normally 926 00:41:13,970 --> 00:41:12,000 seen 927 00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,980 um and most of us probably don't have an 928 00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,720 opportunity to have like low light 929 00:41:20,450 --> 00:41:18,060 pollution or no light pollution from the 930 00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,460 cities where we're looking up at the 931 00:41:24,650 --> 00:41:22,920 stars and we see all kinds of light that 932 00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:24,660 are most likely airplanes and satellites 933 00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,760 out there you know something that's 934 00:41:31,970 --> 00:41:28,859 truly anomalous might stick out 935 00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:31,980 now what is the you know what are what 936 00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,240 are the military going to do if there's 937 00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,800 a military base maybe it didn't show up 938 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:37,020 on radar you know maybe they weren't 939 00:41:41,810 --> 00:41:39,240 aware of it if it if there's something 940 00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:41,820 anomalous in the middle of a Marine 941 00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:44,099 Corps Air Base that's like a giant 942 00:41:47,329 --> 00:41:45,720 triangle 943 00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:47,339 I don't know you think that they would 944 00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,140 do something about it you would think 945 00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,839 you would think like I said I mean I 946 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,280 said it out loud 947 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,160 29 Palms is right there were the Marines 948 00:42:00,050 --> 00:41:58,560 yeah and it's that's not the only you 949 00:42:02,329 --> 00:42:00,060 know I've had sightings out there I've 950 00:42:06,109 --> 00:42:02,339 had I've seen some crazy things in 951 00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,119 Joshua Tree and it's always just kind of 952 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:08,160 blown my mind 953 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:11,940 um where you if you're aware of 29 palms 954 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:15,300 and your UFO research you're a sky 955 00:42:17,810 --> 00:42:16,560 Watcher right you're out there doing 956 00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,820 your thing and you got your friend you 957 00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,680 got your cooler you got your sandwiches 958 00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,260 and playing your music and you got your 959 00:42:27,050 --> 00:42:24,480 beach chairs folded out right your night 960 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:27,060 vision and lasers and you're out there 961 00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:28,500 having a good time you see something 962 00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:32,520 you're well aware that right there right 963 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:35,220 there is 29 palms and 29 Palms the 964 00:42:41,410 --> 00:42:39,060 Marine base it's not small folks this is 965 00:42:45,410 --> 00:42:41,420 a major major 966 00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:45,420 huge chunk of land with a lot of Marines 967 00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:47,820 on it that are doing nothing but 968 00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,700 training all day long the lights are on 969 00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,460 they've got you brought it the point I 970 00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,440 want they've got their own Air Force out 971 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,180 there right they've got their own 972 00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,520 airstrip they've got 973 00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:01,859 um uh you know all of the tanks and 974 00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:04,980 armored vehicles and and Ospreys and 975 00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:08,220 hella everything is sitting right there 976 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:10,980 but yet all this UFO activity is 977 00:43:14,750 --> 00:43:12,780 happening 20 miles away it's very 978 00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,760 strange Dave 979 00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:17,400 it's pretty strange yeah I mean again 980 00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,380 we're talking about this one case that 981 00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,480 you know may or may not be a UFO and I'm 982 00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:23,400 sure that there's probably tons of 983 00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,140 stories if you could sit down with some 984 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:27,420 of these guys that are out there at all 985 00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,920 hours of the night training in the 986 00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:30,720 desert they've probably seen 987 00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,960 all kinds of uh unusual lights in the 988 00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:36,420 sky and I'm sure that if you looked into 989 00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:38,520 it I mean I'm sort of curious about it 990 00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:42,660 but I I also like the stories where it's 991 00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,540 a UFO that then you know you can 992 00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:47,700 actually figure it out and at least it's 993 00:43:51,530 --> 00:43:49,079 one you could check off and say no 994 00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:51,540 that's not a UFO and I mean that feeling 995 00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:55,500 that you get by using using sort of um 996 00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:58,200 empirical science and and critical 997 00:44:02,809 --> 00:44:01,500 thinking you can cross off things so you 998 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:02,819 can help people understand that 999 00:44:09,170 --> 00:44:05,700 sometimes what you perceive as a UFO and 1000 00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,180 you're you are 100 certain that that is 1001 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,040 definitely not a Prozac 1002 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:13,200 misidentification like say somebody on 1003 00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:14,579 the ground a marine looking at these 1004 00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:15,480 lights 1005 00:44:19,609 --> 00:44:17,880 then it's proven it is and you have to 1006 00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,619 get over that barrier and say I was 1007 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:21,660 wrong I I knew that that was something 1008 00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,140 unusual but I'm Gonna Change My Mind and 1009 00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:27,359 and now when I look at the sky and look 1010 00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,220 at stars I'm going to be a little more 1011 00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:31,800 skeptical and say is there any possible 1012 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,900 way that I was wrong about what I saw 1013 00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,180 you know even my buddy and you know 1014 00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:38,160 somebody that's like um 1015 00:44:42,589 --> 00:44:40,140 uh somebody that's like 1016 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,599 um you know 1017 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,400 standing next to me sees the same thing 1018 00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,440 and they tell me yeah that's definitely 1019 00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:48,240 not a plane and you you kind of like 1020 00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,700 feed off each other but being willing to 1021 00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,760 admit that okay I I hear what you're 1022 00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:56,400 saying and the authorities above me are 1023 00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:58,079 telling me that those were flares I'm 1024 00:45:01,370 --> 00:44:59,819 going to change my mind and then maybe 1025 00:45:02,270 --> 00:45:01,380 I'll just be a better Observer going 1026 00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,280 forward 1027 00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:05,099 well I and that's that's also part of 1028 00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:06,420 the issue 1029 00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:09,420 is that uh 1030 00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,260 uh I see flares right I'm looking at the 1031 00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,319 image and I know exactly what I'm 1032 00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:20,000 looking at and then you've got somebody 1033 00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:24,960 yelling in your ear no it's it it's E.T 1034 00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:28,740 no it's not it's first no it is not 1035 00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:33,000 it is and if no no it's like somebody 1036 00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:34,980 trying to convince you that you're 1037 00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:37,800 looking at a yellow car when you're 1038 00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:39,780 looking at a red car 1039 00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:43,200 right and dude the car is red no it's 1040 00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:46,079 not it's yellow I'm looking at it you 1041 00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:47,700 know what I mean it's it's it's it's 1042 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:50,819 crazy but people still seem to take the 1043 00:45:53,390 --> 00:45:51,960 bait 1044 00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,400 you know 1045 00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:55,140 um group dynamics are something that are 1046 00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:58,020 very interesting and um you know a study 1047 00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,599 in Psychology about crime scenes and 1048 00:46:04,250 --> 00:46:02,400 stuff I kind of remember some of that in 1049 00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:04,260 college where they would talk about what 1050 00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,560 people see and how they react and 1051 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,520 especially if you're in a group of 1052 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:10,440 people like a bunch of Young Marines I 1053 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,780 can imagine that if suddenly somebody 1054 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,000 starts yelling man that dude that's E.T 1055 00:46:19,609 --> 00:46:17,640 or whatever you know everyone jumps on 1056 00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:19,619 that and suddenly you know everyone's 1057 00:46:23,930 --> 00:46:22,140 seeing a triangle and you you become 1058 00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:23,940 convinced because the group you're with 1059 00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:26,280 is convinced together it's a very 1060 00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:29,839 powerful motivating uh behavior 1061 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:32,760 that could convince you of something 1062 00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,260 that if you were by yourself or if 1063 00:46:37,550 --> 00:46:36,240 somebody uh you're with somebody that's 1064 00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,560 like no man those are flares you know 1065 00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,119 I've seen that before and then you kind 1066 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:41,280 of go that direction 1067 00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:44,220 um so you know I I totally hear what 1068 00:46:47,329 --> 00:46:45,720 you're saying and you can get convinced 1069 00:46:49,550 --> 00:46:47,339 of something if other people are telling 1070 00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:49,560 telling you that and that's if you 1071 00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:51,119 listen to the audio and some of those 1072 00:46:54,290 --> 00:46:52,619 recordings 1073 00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,300 um that were released in the initial 1074 00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:57,000 report back in May you can hear that in 1075 00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,560 the background that the guys you know 1076 00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:00,900 the the Marines kind of yelling that 1077 00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:05,700 it's a E.T man you know like yeah 1078 00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:09,000 the whole thing is bizarre and then with 1079 00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:13,079 um uh you've got crush you've got this 1080 00:47:19,309 --> 00:47:16,859 29 Palms flares thing and then suddenly 1081 00:47:26,030 --> 00:47:19,319 out of nowhere we've got 1082 00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,040 Las Vegas and and 10 foot aliens and the 1083 00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,740 um uh the 1084 00:47:33,230 --> 00:47:31,260 the body cam footage the news is 1085 00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,240 involved this gets picked up and this 1086 00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:36,480 story has not gone away 1087 00:47:40,990 --> 00:47:37,800 um I I'm 1088 00:47:46,130 --> 00:47:43,670 oh man I can't believe I'm gonna ask you 1089 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,140 this what do you think you think we got 1090 00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:47,760 10 foot aliens running around in 1091 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,920 backyards in Las Vegas 1092 00:47:55,069 --> 00:47:53,280 you know I I I'm not gonna like give you 1093 00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:55,079 an opinion on that I mean when I saw 1094 00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:56,099 that 1095 00:48:01,370 --> 00:47:58,920 um story first of all I was like oh God 1096 00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:01,380 that's just one of those those stories 1097 00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:03,960 it's hopefully it'll go away fast you 1098 00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,740 know 1099 00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:07,619 um Mick West one of the Uber Skeptics 1100 00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,560 that's on Twitter quickly you know said 1101 00:48:15,470 --> 00:48:12,480 that that was you know the the green 1102 00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,480 light that that's definitely a meteor or 1103 00:48:19,970 --> 00:48:17,940 something I mean they I I just said 1104 00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,980 there's no possible way that that's a 1105 00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:22,500 real story so I just kind of like have 1106 00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,700 ignored it 1107 00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:25,920 um unfortunately you know it's not 1108 00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:28,200 necessarily my job to investigate UFO so 1109 00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:29,460 I kind of pick and choose and that was 1110 00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,900 one hey man I'm going to look at the 1111 00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,700 David grush story I'm going to look at 1112 00:48:36,650 --> 00:48:34,560 the 29 palms and like really do a deep 1113 00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,660 dive so 1114 00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,700 don't ask me about that because you know 1115 00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,800 unless somebody else comes along and 1116 00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:42,599 says you really need to read this story 1117 00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,119 and look at the pictures the police body 1118 00:48:49,089 --> 00:48:47,579 cam footage and so on 1119 00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:49,099 um I'm not convinced 1120 00:48:56,750 --> 00:48:54,900 the um the media is no I should say let 1121 00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:56,760 me say it like this the media is 1122 00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:00,060 convinced on clicks now yeah they know 1123 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:04,859 UFOs uh E.T and it's going to get you 1124 00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,040 clicks it's going to increase your 1125 00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:10,440 Revenue it's never been like this before 1126 00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:12,240 has it 1127 00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:15,900 I mean there the media didn't like to do 1128 00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:17,400 stories about UFOs in general 1129 00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:19,619 specifically because I mean they did 1130 00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:21,480 like those kind of 1131 00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,480 um end of the show in at least in TV 1132 00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,359 kicker stories that were tongue-in-cheek 1133 00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:29,280 and you know they would play a story 1134 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:31,619 like the Las Vegas 10 foot alien and 1135 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,720 then they would make a joke on the set 1136 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,720 after the story you know ended and they 1137 00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:38,220 would end the news on that on a 1138 00:49:43,069 --> 00:49:40,440 light-hearted note but there really 1139 00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:43,079 hasn't been too much reporting seriously 1140 00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:46,800 on UFOs and we've seen some of that 1141 00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:49,500 taking it sort of seriously when you 1142 00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:50,579 have 1143 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,240 um a 14-year career intelligence 1144 00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:55,440 operative coming forward with these 1145 00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,720 stories they're kind of forced to do a 1146 00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,220 serious take on it versus that 1147 00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:02,520 tongue-in-cheek story or the skeptical 1148 00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,960 debunk 1149 00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,300 um that we sometimes see as well where 1150 00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,300 it's basically a story that's slanted in 1151 00:50:15,290 --> 00:50:11,940 a way by the reporter that basically 1152 00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:15,300 makes you say okay I'm this is probably 1153 00:50:17,870 --> 00:50:16,500 something that we're not going to want 1154 00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,880 to believe 1155 00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,920 um and you I think you see a lot of that 1156 00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,300 too I mean I'm not sure if we're gonna 1157 00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:23,400 if that's what's gonna happen if it's 1158 00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,040 going to be you know some uh journalist 1159 00:50:31,130 --> 00:50:29,160 taking that debunker sort of look at 1160 00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:31,140 these cases 1161 00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:32,520 um even though they're really kind of 1162 00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,140 there's not enough to go on at this 1163 00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:37,140 point you can't really debunk it 1164 00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:40,020 um yet or if it's going to be kind of a 1165 00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:42,060 neutral approach where they're 1166 00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,240 presenting the evidence as the debrief 1167 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:47,760 did and I got to give them credit you 1168 00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,260 know Tim McMillan 1169 00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,260 um you know did look at the report that 1170 00:50:56,569 --> 00:50:54,300 Ralph Blumenthal and lesla Kane did and 1171 00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:56,579 said look we probably shouldn't use 1172 00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,319 witnesses that are Anonymous sources 1173 00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,599 um and he said later that there were 1174 00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:04,859 some that they took out there were some 1175 00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,960 pretty credible 1176 00:51:10,670 --> 00:51:08,640 credible sounding testimony from 1177 00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:10,680 Anonymous sources that just because 1178 00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,839 these people were not named that they 1179 00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,359 didn't use it in the ad so I think that 1180 00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,520 there's kind of there's both you have 1181 00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:19,680 like this tongue-in-cheek reporting in 1182 00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:22,680 the uh media you have the 1183 00:51:28,430 --> 00:51:25,440 um debunking of it Julian Barnes New 1184 00:51:30,650 --> 00:51:28,440 York Times has often taken that approach 1185 00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:30,660 to UAP stories and then you have the 1186 00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,480 kind of balanced and not taking aside 1187 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,819 and just presenting the Evans I hope 1188 00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,200 that that's the kind of reporting that's 1189 00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:38,960 what I want to see 1190 00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:40,559 the 1191 00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:49,140 over uh about a seven day period uh when 1192 00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,420 it comes to uh E.T 1193 00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,480 uh contact in UFOs 1194 00:52:01,609 --> 00:51:57,920 um Dr Greer Stephen Greer did a a press 1195 00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,619 thing a conference I don't know if you 1196 00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:03,780 can call it a press conference uh how 1197 00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:06,420 you would classify it from the national 1198 00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:09,240 Press Club in Washington DC a week after 1199 00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:12,680 David Crush uh came forward 1200 00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:16,260 and again it just like capped off and 1201 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:20,220 and already crazy week you had 29 Palms 1202 00:52:26,510 --> 00:52:23,339 going on you've got Las Vegas it's 1203 00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:26,520 breaking news you've got David crush and 1204 00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,180 and and and and and Dr Greer that's a 1205 00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:32,099 that's a lot of stuff to take in in the 1206 00:52:37,549 --> 00:52:33,720 seven day period 1207 00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:37,559 it really is and um again and so you 1208 00:52:40,849 --> 00:52:39,480 have you know all of these people that 1209 00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:40,859 are coming forward and I guess you know 1210 00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,339 uh Dr Steven Greer is also prevent 1211 00:52:49,309 --> 00:52:46,559 presenting military as he calls military 1212 00:52:52,750 --> 00:52:49,319 whistleblowers like he did 1213 00:52:55,010 --> 00:52:52,760 um you know years ago he did a similar 1214 00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:55,020 disclosure project event where he 1215 00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:57,900 brought in these military personnel that 1216 00:53:03,410 --> 00:53:00,900 were telling very very 1217 00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,420 um interesting stories about uh 1218 00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:05,119 first-hand experiences that they 1219 00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,640 witnessed you know I don't know I you 1220 00:53:14,089 --> 00:53:11,520 know when people get into underground 1221 00:53:17,329 --> 00:53:14,099 secret underground bases you know in 1222 00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:17,339 Dolce New Mexico and so on I'm a little 1223 00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:19,200 skeptical of that I mean I've we've 1224 00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:21,300 heard those stories before 1225 00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:23,400 um you know I just don't know I I just 1226 00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,780 don't know if that's true I mean it 1227 00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:27,119 would be hard to hide that along with 1228 00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:29,359 the secret underground 1229 00:53:35,630 --> 00:53:33,240 hangers in area S4 that Bob Lazar talked 1230 00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,640 about you know but 1231 00:53:39,650 --> 00:53:37,619 who knows I mean maybe there's some some 1232 00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,660 truth to it I'm not sure but it's 1233 00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:41,280 certainly interesting that we have all 1234 00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:43,260 of these military personnel coming 1235 00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,660 forward I just listened to 1236 00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,000 um a very very unique um individual 1237 00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:51,599 named Mario Woods that was a U.S Air 1238 00:54:00,170 --> 00:53:55,800 Force security officer in the 1970s that 1239 00:54:01,790 --> 00:54:00,180 had a startling encounter at a um you 1240 00:54:04,609 --> 00:54:01,800 know nuclear weapon storage area 1241 00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:04,619 actually it was a Minute Man 2 launch 1242 00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,400 facility this was also featured in a 1243 00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:11,220 History Channel show uh several years 1244 00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:14,640 back and he has given some really really 1245 00:54:19,870 --> 00:54:16,680 pretty interesting testimony I think 1246 00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:19,880 that he also spoke to the aaro office 1247 00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,200 recently and provided some of his 1248 00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,200 testimony to them as well so 1249 00:54:30,589 --> 00:54:27,359 um what's his background 1250 00:54:34,190 --> 00:54:30,599 he well he was um um you know obviously 1251 00:54:36,589 --> 00:54:34,200 enlisted in the U.S Air Force and 1252 00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:36,599 um uh after you know going through 1253 00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:39,720 training and so on he was assigned as a 1254 00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:42,140 military security 1255 00:54:47,809 --> 00:54:46,020 specialist at a nuclear launch facility 1256 00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,819 I think it was 1257 00:54:52,609 --> 00:54:50,040 forget which um base it was it wasn't 1258 00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:52,619 mine and it must be like Ellsworth or I 1259 00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,980 forget the the uh actual nuclear missile 1260 00:55:02,690 --> 00:54:59,099 base that he was assigned to but 1261 00:55:04,370 --> 00:55:02,700 um what his story is is that during the 1262 00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:04,380 night it was in the winter during the 1263 00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,380 night that he was on duty you know he 1264 00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:09,540 would be assigned with a a team that 1265 00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:11,339 would be a team leader he'd have a 1266 00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,440 partner and they would would have to 1267 00:55:18,049 --> 00:55:15,660 respond to alerts and what happened was 1268 00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,059 he saw some lights from kind of the base 1269 00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:20,520 Shack where they stayed in the distance 1270 00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:23,579 and they were acting unusual to him he 1271 00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:25,859 uh flashed some security perimeter 1272 00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:28,619 lights and this object flashed back at 1273 00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,880 him and 1274 00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,440 um he thought that was very unusual 1275 00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:34,140 maybe it was a helicopter or some other 1276 00:55:38,210 --> 00:55:36,119 aircraft that saw their lights and was 1277 00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,220 kind of responding in in a similar way 1278 00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:41,040 soon thereafter 1279 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,319 um there was a an alert at one of the 1280 00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,960 launch facilities which was a ways away 1281 00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,579 from where they were they had to get in 1282 00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:49,760 their truck and and go to this location 1283 00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,059 and according to Mario when him and his 1284 00:55:59,809 --> 00:55:56,400 partner arrived in the truck 1285 00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,819 they at the at the Gated facility where 1286 00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:02,940 the actual missiles are underground they 1287 00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:07,319 saw this giant spherical craft like 1288 00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:10,260 hovering over the launch facility so 1289 00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:12,599 it's a really startling 1290 00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:16,380 um explanation of what he saw and he 1291 00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:18,960 kind of goes in in detail in his account 1292 00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:22,619 step by step through what he witnessed 1293 00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:25,980 he um said that it almost felt like all 1294 00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:27,960 of the air was evacuated from the 1295 00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:30,839 vehicle like during this time when he 1296 00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:33,900 saw this object that his partner almost 1297 00:56:39,410 --> 00:56:36,180 went into some type of catatonic state 1298 00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,420 where he couldn't talk to the guy he 1299 00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:41,220 wouldn't respond so they're sitting 1300 00:56:45,530 --> 00:56:43,020 there trying to figure out what they're 1301 00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:45,540 going to do and what the protocol is 1302 00:56:52,190 --> 00:56:48,599 when you're faced with such a enormous 1303 00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,200 object in not really you know unsure of 1304 00:56:57,170 --> 00:56:54,180 what to do so 1305 00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,180 um what eventually what happened was 1306 00:57:01,609 --> 00:56:59,280 there was like a missing time element 1307 00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,619 where suddenly he became um he woke up 1308 00:57:06,470 --> 00:57:03,839 again and they were in a completely 1309 00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:06,480 different location in the truck than 1310 00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:10,559 where they were a second ago and he 1311 00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,380 describes kind of like coming to so so 1312 00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,500 to speak and he realized that they were 1313 00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:19,200 at that launch facility around 1am and 1314 00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,660 now it's around 6 a.m in the morning and 1315 00:57:26,329 --> 00:57:23,819 they had I forget how many miles the 1316 00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:26,339 truck had traveled so it's a classic 1317 00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:29,400 sort of UFO you know I don't know if I 1318 00:57:32,089 --> 00:57:30,780 would call it abduction but that's kind 1319 00:57:34,130 --> 00:57:32,099 of what it sounds like to me where 1320 00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,140 something happened in between those two 1321 00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:36,900 points man missing time missing time 1322 00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:39,960 yeah missing time yeah so that's the 1323 00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,940 story and the radio's crackling you know 1324 00:57:45,710 --> 00:57:43,680 you know what's your location you know 1325 00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:45,720 unit whatever they didn't know where 1326 00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:47,160 they were and they eventually 1327 00:57:51,470 --> 00:57:48,059 um 1328 00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:51,480 were debriefed and the whole thing where 1329 00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:53,880 I mean the guy was lucky he didn't his 1330 00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:56,880 career wasn't ruined by literally he had 1331 00:58:01,549 --> 00:57:58,980 to explain what they saw and what 1332 00:58:03,530 --> 00:58:01,559 happened and 1333 00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,540 um I don't know that he felt that they 1334 00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:06,420 took him seriously or not like his uh 1335 00:58:12,049 --> 00:58:08,700 commanding officers but he did go and 1336 00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:12,059 have to explain and and sign a report in 1337 00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,800 NDA and the whole thing about what what 1338 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,599 experience so 1339 00:58:22,370 --> 00:58:19,200 yeah I've heard a little bit uh of his 1340 00:58:24,650 --> 00:58:22,380 story and uh I've talked to some people 1341 00:58:27,950 --> 00:58:24,660 about it too as well 1342 00:58:31,329 --> 00:58:27,960 um I I think did he was there some 1343 00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:34,849 it was more like a Close Encounters of a 1344 00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:37,740 Third Kind situation where he I think he 1345 00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:42,359 made contact right let me you know you 1346 00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:46,140 know there was there was the the partner 1347 00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:48,420 that he was with 1348 00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:51,180 basically he only saw him one more time 1349 00:58:57,470 --> 00:58:55,200 after that event and he had some 1350 00:58:59,270 --> 00:58:57,480 questions and then like at least in the 1351 00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:59,280 the interview that I listened to last 1352 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,380 week that was released 1353 00:59:06,349 --> 00:59:03,900 um it he said that the guy disappeared 1354 00:59:08,930 --> 00:59:06,359 that he's he's actually asking 1355 00:59:10,549 --> 00:59:08,940 the audience to say do you know who this 1356 00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,559 where this gentleman is I've been trying 1357 00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:13,680 to track him down for you know 30 years 1358 00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,599 or 40 years or whatever since this event 1359 00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:18,480 and and he just kind of disappeared 1360 00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,780 uh the the partner that yeah wouldn't 1361 00:59:25,069 --> 00:59:23,760 respond yeah the guy in the truck with 1362 00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:25,079 him um 1363 00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:26,940 and I don't know if there was regression 1364 00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:29,400 I mean there was there were suggestions 1365 00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,339 that like for instance the partner the 1366 00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:34,440 last time he spoke with him said I 1367 00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:39,420 remember your glove on a steel deck or a 1368 00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:43,140 steel floor a shiny steel floor and he 1369 00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:44,460 couldn't figure that out because where 1370 00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:46,859 they were in the truck was like a an 1371 00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,280 F-150 that didn't have that you know but 1372 00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,319 he went and looked in his bag and indeed 1373 00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:55,200 like his glove was missing so 1374 01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:57,960 yeah very strange somebody just popped 1375 01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:01,619 up a comment here 1376 01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:06,000 um and where where'd it go oh yeah right 1377 01:00:12,530 --> 01:00:07,980 here 1378 01:00:14,990 --> 01:00:12,540 he also saw beings uh walking towards 1379 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:15,000 his truck three of them 1380 01:00:18,829 --> 01:00:17,760 that's right and and he said that he 1381 01:00:21,609 --> 01:00:18,839 said that 1382 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:21,619 again this stuff a lot of it is classic 1383 01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:25,980 you know bud Hopkins Fowler you know 1384 01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,240 Whitley strieber style reports of UFO 1385 01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,880 abductions and he saw like three what 1386 01:00:38,329 --> 01:00:34,799 you know I guess he described them what 1387 01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:38,339 you might consider gray aliens with a 1388 01:00:43,130 --> 01:00:40,020 super tall 1389 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:43,140 the being behind them and he he went on 1390 01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:46,319 to say that he recognized that the small 1391 01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:49,619 ones had like a rod-shaped thing in 1392 01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:51,540 their belts like he said they had like a 1393 01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:54,619 belt with a rod-shaped uh device with a 1394 01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:58,079 glowing ball on the end of it and that 1395 01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:01,440 the taller being he said that it had in 1396 01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:03,000 the middle of its chest something a 1397 01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,880 device that was glowing with the same 1398 01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,960 light 1399 01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:09,119 so that was like one of the last things 1400 01:01:13,789 --> 01:01:10,980 that he remembered I guess before the 1401 01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:13,799 truck disappeared or like he passed out 1402 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:16,440 or something and he said that in in his 1403 01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:19,260 debriefing with his commanding officers 1404 01:01:25,670 --> 01:01:23,280 at the at the uh Squadron Wing level 1405 01:01:27,770 --> 01:01:25,680 he never mentioned that to them he said 1406 01:01:30,109 --> 01:01:27,780 that he went pretty far with describing 1407 01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:30,119 the sighting but he he felt that if he 1408 01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:33,059 went in and told him all about that that 1409 01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:35,220 would be the end and that they would he 1410 01:01:40,250 --> 01:01:36,900 would never you know they would ship him 1411 01:01:43,309 --> 01:01:40,260 off to Antarctica or something like I I 1412 01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:43,319 was gonna bring check this out hold on 1413 01:01:47,870 --> 01:01:45,780 look what I just wrote Antarctica right 1414 01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:47,880 there I just wrote it 1415 01:01:53,569 --> 01:01:51,299 um and uh 1416 01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:53,579 oh okay you know what I I gotta take a 1417 01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,140 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talking about tonight 1530 01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:45,780 so much going on uh with the UFO 1531 01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,299 community and Dave uh uh you sent notes 1532 01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:53,940 and I looked at the notes and there's a 1533 01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:55,020 comma 1534 01:07:01,250 --> 01:06:58,559 separating uh 29 palms and giant 1535 01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:01,260 triangle UFO were those the same things 1536 01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,460 or is there a giant triangle UFO that I 1537 01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:07,319 don't know about no that was a great way 1538 01:07:11,630 --> 01:07:09,420 to keep the audience uh to stay tuned 1539 01:07:13,910 --> 01:07:11,640 but yeah I mean that's that's the giant 1540 01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,920 triangle in fact when I tell people to 1541 01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:16,260 look for it and search for it if you you 1542 01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:18,839 know Google giant black triangle that 1543 01:07:24,770 --> 01:07:21,539 that's the story that pops up so 1544 01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:24,780 okay there you go all right I thought 1545 01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:28,619 that I missed something uh my nerves or 1546 01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,380 I can only handle so much these last 14 1547 01:07:37,549 --> 01:07:34,079 days have been insane 1548 01:07:40,370 --> 01:07:37,559 um and I wanted to mention something 1549 01:07:42,890 --> 01:07:40,380 um uh I know that you've been working on 1550 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:42,900 a film about Consciousness for for a 1551 01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:44,940 while now and and we've talked about it 1552 01:07:49,730 --> 01:07:47,160 before and I would like to talk more 1553 01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,740 about that and but there's there's a 1554 01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:51,960 weird connection here 1555 01:07:58,250 --> 01:07:54,180 um and that's with Antarctica 1556 01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,260 at Dr Greer's conference one of his 1557 01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,260 witnesses that he brought forward was a 1558 01:08:07,609 --> 01:08:03,720 contractor for Raytheon 1559 01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:07,619 and he said he spent one year in 1560 01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:11,940 Antarctica and worked at a facility down 1561 01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,719 there that uh created a high energy beam 1562 01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:20,759 now 1563 01:08:27,289 --> 01:08:24,299 um a few takeaways from this all right 1564 01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,299 first off this is Antarctica what why 1565 01:08:32,650 --> 01:08:29,880 would Raytheon build this huge physi he 1566 01:08:35,289 --> 01:08:32,660 showed photographs of it right okay 1567 01:08:37,610 --> 01:08:35,299 here's the trip 1568 01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:37,620 he said 1569 01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:39,719 um or there was connections with 1570 01:08:44,150 --> 01:08:42,960 earthquakes but well maybe we'll Circle 1571 01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:44,160 back to that 1572 01:08:50,829 --> 01:08:49,380 he said that this beam that could be 1573 01:08:55,370 --> 01:08:50,839 created 1574 01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:55,380 bringing up neutrinos that it was faster 1575 01:08:59,709 --> 01:08:57,540 than light 1576 01:09:04,789 --> 01:08:59,719 okay now 1577 01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:04,799 absorb that and that it could project 1578 01:09:08,769 --> 01:09:06,120 out 1579 01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:08,779 faster than the speed of light 1580 01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:12,779 possibly now I again I'm paraphrasing 1581 01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,279 here but uh it's a communication tool 1582 01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:19,980 that you would that is faster than the 1583 01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:24,080 speed of light and that is a pretty 1584 01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,490 yeah I mean I'm I'm not aware of that I 1585 01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,319 obviously you know when you have people 1586 01:09:38,749 --> 01:09:36,420 that are coming forward with these 1587 01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,759 stories it's all really in how credible 1588 01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:40,560 they are 1589 01:09:45,289 --> 01:09:42,900 um obviously something that's faster 1590 01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:45,299 than the speed of light a physicist 1591 01:09:49,309 --> 01:09:47,100 would have to discuss that because what 1592 01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,319 I mean really in quantum mechanics right 1593 01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:51,480 there there are some 1594 01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,440 um instances of uh spooky action in a 1595 01:10:00,350 --> 01:09:57,540 distance and paired photons and so on 1596 01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:00,360 right that's where you're talking about 1597 01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,140 um instantaneous types of communications 1598 01:10:09,890 --> 01:10:06,960 um what was the what were they using the 1599 01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:09,900 beam for and why Antarctica yeah it was 1600 01:10:17,090 --> 01:10:12,840 see you know again 1601 01:10:19,149 --> 01:10:17,100 um uh his presentation uh Dave was cut 1602 01:10:23,330 --> 01:10:19,159 short okay all right 1603 01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:23,340 so he's I'm gonna say he spoke for about 1604 01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,900 five minutes or or so 10 minutes is 1605 01:10:32,590 --> 01:10:29,120 um and and 1606 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:32,600 revealing this the way that he did it 1607 01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:34,340 was 1608 01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:38,580 in bullet point fashion right so it 1609 01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,880 wasn't like he broke down all you know 1610 01:10:46,729 --> 01:10:43,560 and and 1611 01:10:49,310 --> 01:10:46,739 um uh uh there was a bunch of technical 1612 01:10:50,570 --> 01:10:49,320 information where we could extract stuff 1613 01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:50,580 from 1614 01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,560 um it was very quick and to the point 1615 01:10:58,310 --> 01:10:55,920 now he he did have a photograph of the 1616 01:11:02,510 --> 01:10:58,320 outside of the facility I think he had a 1617 01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:02,520 a basic blueprint of the the the levels 1618 01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,500 underground it looked like it was four 1619 01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:07,140 or five different you know uh layers 1620 01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:09,420 maybe maybe seven 1621 01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,140 um uh underground he said that there was 1622 01:11:18,169 --> 01:11:16,320 again I'd have to go back and watch but 1623 01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:18,179 the number sticks out I think he said 1624 01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:19,340 that there were 1625 01:11:28,669 --> 01:11:24,440 800 individual cells right and and 1626 01:11:30,770 --> 01:11:28,679 they would be energized and and focused 1627 01:11:32,750 --> 01:11:30,780 and projected out now he didn't mention 1628 01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:32,760 neutrinos which you know those are 1629 01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:34,620 particles that we've been looking for 1630 01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:36,600 that they they pass through the Earth 1631 01:11:45,070 --> 01:11:40,580 right so they're so small and so fast 1632 01:11:48,050 --> 01:11:45,080 uh uh but they are uh 1633 01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:48,060 uh theorized to be faster than the speed 1634 01:11:54,649 --> 01:11:52,380 of light and so he I think it his his 1635 01:11:56,930 --> 01:11:54,659 understanding was this was a 1636 01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:56,940 communication device now he said that 1637 01:12:02,350 --> 01:11:59,820 they they fired this thing up while he 1638 01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:02,360 was there twice 1639 01:12:08,090 --> 01:12:06,060 both times that they fired it up there 1640 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,100 was a major earthquake 1641 01:12:13,729 --> 01:12:11,040 somewhere on earth like with some major 1642 01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:13,739 earthquake in Indonesia at the the 1643 01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:16,440 instant that they turned this thing on 1644 01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,840 I mean that thing that sounds absolutely 1645 01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:20,159 fascinating 1646 01:12:25,250 --> 01:12:23,100 I mean and when I conceive of what 1647 01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,260 technology is being developed I mean 1648 01:12:29,870 --> 01:12:27,600 what are we talking like 40 years into 1649 01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:29,880 the future with some of the classified 1650 01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,659 black projects and specifically if what 1651 01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:36,300 you know if we go back to what David 1652 01:12:42,830 --> 01:12:39,900 grush was saying that uh that the U.S 1653 01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:42,840 has acquired specific uh technical 1654 01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,440 vehicles and materials you might suspect 1655 01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:48,239 that if this has been going on for 80 1656 01:12:53,810 --> 01:12:50,699 years that there is technology that was 1657 01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:53,820 developed as a direct offshoot of that 1658 01:12:59,330 --> 01:12:56,460 that may not look anything like 1659 01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:59,340 um where it came from so you know a 1660 01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:01,920 specific type of communication a device 1661 01:13:06,590 --> 01:13:03,840 that's being deployed 1662 01:13:08,810 --> 01:13:06,600 maybe there there is a possibility for 1663 01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:08,820 something like that that would in some 1664 01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,400 ways you know be faster than the speed 1665 01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,159 of light by using some type of 1666 01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,560 Technology that's so Advanced that even 1667 01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,199 you know our modern uh physicists today 1668 01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:21,840 haven't conceived of it 1669 01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:24,659 well and the reason why 1670 01:13:33,290 --> 01:13:28,080 um I bring all of this up is 1671 01:13:36,169 --> 01:13:33,300 I I if if if I was a betting man right 1672 01:13:37,910 --> 01:13:36,179 and I I had some spare Dosh 1673 01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,920 I would bet 1674 01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:39,840 in Vegas 1675 01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:43,020 that the answer to all of this is 1676 01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:46,199 entanglement and consciousness 1677 01:13:50,330 --> 01:13:48,600 that that's it that's the communication 1678 01:13:53,590 --> 01:13:50,340 tool 1679 01:13:57,229 --> 01:13:53,600 um that Consciousness is is probably 1680 01:14:00,830 --> 01:13:57,239 it's my guess not physical 1681 01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:00,840 right it's not created it's not a part 1682 01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:03,659 of the physical it is outside of the 1683 01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:07,380 physical and that this is another 1684 01:14:12,590 --> 01:14:08,760 dimension 1685 01:14:13,570 --> 01:14:12,600 and it is a way to communicate in in an 1686 01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,580 instant 1687 01:14:18,110 --> 01:14:16,320 across the vastness of space you can't 1688 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:18,120 wait for the speed of light as a 1689 01:14:23,090 --> 01:14:21,300 communication tool if you're 10 000 1690 01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:23,100 light years away from your home planet 1691 01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,260 there's got to be something else going 1692 01:14:31,070 --> 01:14:27,300 on and you've been working on this 1693 01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,080 directly and I I think that that would 1694 01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:33,360 be the answer I think E.T steps off the 1695 01:14:38,590 --> 01:14:35,760 craft and goes ah well you know now it's 1696 01:14:41,930 --> 01:14:38,600 not lasers no 1697 01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:41,940 it's here it's it's it's Consciousness 1698 01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:43,739 and that's how we talk that's how we 1699 01:14:48,890 --> 01:14:46,260 operate that's how we live that's how we 1700 01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:48,900 fly that's I I think that Consciousness 1701 01:14:55,010 --> 01:14:53,340 and entanglement are are the answers 1702 01:14:57,709 --> 01:14:55,020 yeah so 1703 01:15:02,030 --> 01:14:57,719 um to your question about the film 1704 01:15:06,590 --> 01:15:02,040 um I have been working on a project with 1705 01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:06,600 um uh several Partners currently uh Dr 1706 01:15:12,649 --> 01:15:09,540 Robert Davis says you've spoken with in 1707 01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:12,659 the past who's amazing yeah I mean he's 1708 01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:16,199 a brilliant scientist academic and he's 1709 01:15:21,649 --> 01:15:19,800 very interested in in discussing the 1710 01:15:23,689 --> 01:15:21,659 nature of Consciousness and he 1711 01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:23,699 approached me to see if I would be 1712 01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,100 interested in exploring this he hadn't 1713 01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:29,280 really done films before and didn't know 1714 01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:33,120 how you start and and so on and you know 1715 01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:36,000 I explained to him the process and in a 1716 01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,800 lot of cases if you don't have a sponsor 1717 01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:40,800 it's going to be a passion project 1718 01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:43,920 um and that's what our film is today you 1719 01:15:48,850 --> 01:15:46,320 can you can look at the you can look at 1720 01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:48,860 my film at the um it's called 1721 01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:51,780 consciousnessfilm dot info just for a 1722 01:15:57,709 --> 01:15:54,060 brief explanation of what we're trying 1723 01:16:01,250 --> 01:15:57,719 to accomplish but in a nutshell when I 1724 01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:01,260 first heard about his ideas I kind of 1725 01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,020 had to do a quick uh timer myself and 1726 01:16:10,209 --> 01:16:07,380 where theorists are today with this idea 1727 01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,219 of Consciousness and I was quickly 1728 01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:12,780 startled that 1729 01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:16,400 like in medicine the 1730 01:16:21,189 --> 01:16:18,440 scientific Community 1731 01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:21,199 often holds to 1732 01:16:30,050 --> 01:16:26,239 rigid theories and ideals that had been 1733 01:16:32,510 --> 01:16:30,060 instilled in you know the the teaching 1734 01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:32,520 and neural uh Psychology and 1735 01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,520 Neuroscience for instance so when you 1736 01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,159 talk about Consciousness what you find 1737 01:16:42,649 --> 01:16:40,800 out that that every student in med 1738 01:16:45,410 --> 01:16:42,659 school is going to be taught that 1739 01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:45,420 Consciousness is a 1740 01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:48,120 um it it arises from a process within 1741 01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:49,860 our brains that's what they teach that 1742 01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,280 it's a electrochemical process that our 1743 01:16:56,149 --> 01:16:54,960 brains create 1744 01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:56,159 now 1745 01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:00,000 science 1746 01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:02,219 um uh discussion it's going to be 1747 01:17:07,130 --> 01:17:04,560 difficult to kind of argue with a 1748 01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:07,140 scientist again against that for you 1749 01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:09,600 know one way or the other but what you 1750 01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:11,340 find are there are some people out there 1751 01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,400 there's some philosophy you know 1752 01:17:18,950 --> 01:17:17,280 um there's some scientists that have 1753 01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:18,960 kind of bucked that 1754 01:17:24,830 --> 01:17:22,199 um conception of Consciousness arising 1755 01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:24,840 from the brain and one of the ideas is 1756 01:17:29,149 --> 01:17:26,699 that Consciousness as you said is more 1757 01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,159 of a primary force so that you might say 1758 01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:31,500 that Consciousness exists and that 1759 01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,199 everything physically right emerges from 1760 01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:36,719 Consciousness if it's a primary force 1761 01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:38,580 then you could have that as some type of 1762 01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,300 field that perhaps our physical reality 1763 01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:44,280 is emerging from 1764 01:17:48,350 --> 01:17:47,280 a type of field of Consciousness maybe a 1765 01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:48,360 higher dimensional field of 1766 01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:49,380 consciousness 1767 01:17:54,729 --> 01:17:52,020 and you might then start thinking that 1768 01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:54,739 the brain actually is more of a filter 1769 01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:58,380 so there's a Consciousness field that 1770 01:18:02,570 --> 01:18:00,540 our brains might be tuning into that 1771 01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:02,580 field almost like a television sets 1772 01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:04,860 tuning into a specific frequency of 1773 01:18:10,189 --> 01:18:07,860 Consciousness perhaps that 1774 01:18:12,770 --> 01:18:10,199 um that tuning in is like basically 1775 01:18:15,770 --> 01:18:12,780 tuning into our perception as an 1776 01:18:18,010 --> 01:18:15,780 identity or our personalities so that 1777 01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:18,020 our experience in the physical reality 1778 01:18:22,910 --> 01:18:22,320 is part of Consciousness but we're only 1779 01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:22,920 um 1780 01:18:28,610 --> 01:18:25,440 aware of a very small portion of that 1781 01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,620 and then you can get in if you begin to 1782 01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:30,480 look at that then you can start looking 1783 01:18:35,870 --> 01:18:33,420 at the evidence that exists that might 1784 01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:35,880 suggest that that might suggest that 1785 01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:37,800 Consciousness exists and that there's 1786 01:18:43,070 --> 01:18:40,460 other Realms of existence there's other 1787 01:18:46,729 --> 01:18:43,080 dimensional Realms of existence beyond 1788 01:18:49,130 --> 01:18:46,739 the physical Earth and us 1789 01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:49,140 um you might conceive that we exist 1790 01:18:54,050 --> 01:18:51,239 outside of physical reality as well 1791 01:18:56,330 --> 01:18:54,060 we're just not aware of it while it were 1792 01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,340 in our waking lives and so in the film 1793 01:19:02,090 --> 01:18:58,320 we're trying to go in and explore some 1794 01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:02,100 of these um excellent topic areas within 1795 01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:05,460 that study for instance uh near-death 1796 01:19:11,330 --> 01:19:08,400 experience where people have been 1797 01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,340 pronounced clinically uh deceased 1798 01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:13,679 sometimes for 1799 01:19:16,970 --> 01:19:15,960 um you know shorts amounts of times or 1800 01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:16,980 their 1801 01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,100 um at all they have flat Minds brain 1802 01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:25,920 activity yet they have remarkable 1803 01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:28,500 experiences sometimes even more Vivid 1804 01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:31,800 and memorable than their waking lives 1805 01:19:36,110 --> 01:19:34,020 and a lot of people that have these 1806 01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:36,120 experiences come back and that changes 1807 01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:37,560 their lives and they oftentimes report 1808 01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:41,940 what they experience so is that that's a 1809 01:19:47,810 --> 01:19:45,000 subjective a subjective experience of 1810 01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:47,820 what might be a higher level of 1811 01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:49,679 experience or higher level of Dimension 1812 01:19:55,330 --> 01:19:52,320 that's outside of physical reality 1813 01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:55,340 so when you hear these stories it's very 1814 01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:57,540 enlightening actually so that's one 1815 01:20:02,450 --> 01:19:59,340 aspect of the film that we're trying to 1816 01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:02,460 do another would be for instance some of 1817 01:20:10,490 --> 01:20:06,960 the academic study into the field of 1818 01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:10,500 um parapsychology and ESP for instance 1819 01:20:17,570 --> 01:20:15,120 extra sensory perception and over many 1820 01:20:20,450 --> 01:20:17,580 decades there have been programs that 1821 01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:20,460 have looked at these various aspects 1822 01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:23,520 that sort of defy physical explanation 1823 01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:26,159 or scientific explanation 1824 01:20:32,570 --> 01:20:29,400 um and your your viewers are very well 1825 01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:32,580 aware I'm sure and listeners of the the 1826 01:20:38,510 --> 01:20:36,540 study of remote viewing and telekinesis 1827 01:20:39,229 --> 01:20:38,520 for instance and 1828 01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:39,239 um 1829 01:20:48,169 --> 01:20:43,620 you know people that have uh uh you know 1830 01:20:49,310 --> 01:20:48,179 been studies scientifically and Way 1831 01:20:53,630 --> 01:20:49,320 Beyond 1832 01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:53,640 the the the the the possibility of just 1833 01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,159 being random chance you know when you're 1834 01:21:00,490 --> 01:20:58,080 doing a scientific uh double-blind 1835 01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:00,500 experience you can experiment you can 1836 01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:03,480 provide statistical analysis that just 1837 01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:04,860 defies 1838 01:21:10,970 --> 01:21:08,640 um this being a random effect and 1839 01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:10,980 it's pretty remarkable so that's another 1840 01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:13,920 aspect of the film that we're hoping to 1841 01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:17,040 um include and then a third aspect might 1842 01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,420 be 1843 01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:21,120 um the this non-human intelligence David 1844 01:21:25,850 --> 01:21:22,980 grush talks about non-human intelligence 1845 01:21:27,530 --> 01:21:25,860 and the possibility that 1846 01:21:28,669 --> 01:21:27,540 there could be 1847 01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,679 um 1848 01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:30,719 it may not be extraterrestrial that this 1849 01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,540 intelligence and this technology that he 1850 01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:35,520 says the US has acquired could have 1851 01:21:41,689 --> 01:21:38,580 Arisen from some higher order Dimension 1852 01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:41,699 that we're just not aware of so that's 1853 01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,739 also a very fascinating aspect to this 1854 01:21:47,930 --> 01:21:46,560 so we're trying to also talk speak to 1855 01:21:50,570 --> 01:21:47,940 individuals that have had these 1856 01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:50,580 experiences that they say that they've 1857 01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:52,860 been either directly in communication 1858 01:21:58,430 --> 01:21:55,500 with or have had close proximity to 1859 01:21:59,930 --> 01:21:58,440 non-human intelligence and that's sort 1860 01:22:02,689 --> 01:21:59,940 of the idea of the film that we've been 1861 01:22:04,850 --> 01:22:02,699 working on it for about two years now we 1862 01:22:06,830 --> 01:22:04,860 are sort of self-funded so if you can 1863 01:22:08,930 --> 01:22:06,840 help us out again look at my web page 1864 01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:08,940 and you can help us get to the next step 1865 01:22:13,130 --> 01:22:10,980 where is basically funding travel that's 1866 01:22:15,229 --> 01:22:13,140 the most expensive stuff and we're we've 1867 01:22:17,810 --> 01:22:15,239 right now I think we have maybe half a 1868 01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:17,820 dozen great interviews we want to 1869 01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:21,600 um the Monroe Institute last year and 1870 01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,580 um you know while we were there we met 1871 01:22:26,590 --> 01:22:24,560 some 1872 01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:26,600 scientists that were conducting 1873 01:22:32,810 --> 01:22:29,219 basically Empirical research on people 1874 01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,820 that have the ability to to heal people 1875 01:22:38,090 --> 01:22:35,120 remotely I mean basically 1876 01:22:39,250 --> 01:22:38,100 healing through intention Energy 1877 01:22:41,810 --> 01:22:39,260 Medicine 1878 01:22:44,090 --> 01:22:41,820 affecting the positive health and 1879 01:22:46,850 --> 01:22:44,100 outcome of their patients some of these 1880 01:22:50,030 --> 01:22:46,860 individuals that were there training are 1881 01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,040 licensed Physicians surgeons Emergency 1882 01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:53,640 Room Physicians and Trauma Specialists 1883 01:22:58,189 --> 01:22:56,159 for instance and they're they're 1884 01:23:01,550 --> 01:22:58,199 training on this because they see this 1885 01:23:04,189 --> 01:23:01,560 as a very positive effort that could 1886 01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:04,199 influence the outcomes of their patients 1887 01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,440 and a lot it's not intrusive obviously 1888 01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:10,560 it's um something that they can practice 1889 01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:13,679 in their medicine and the patients may 1890 01:23:16,970 --> 01:23:15,300 not even be aware of it there was there 1891 01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:16,980 was one doctor I was talking to that 1892 01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:19,020 says that she's practicing traditional 1893 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:22,020 medicine Family Medicine you know 1894 01:23:27,169 --> 01:23:25,260 um textbook style treatments and so on 1895 01:23:28,610 --> 01:23:27,179 but she's also using these techniques 1896 01:23:30,110 --> 01:23:28,620 and it's very interesting that she's 1897 01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,120 knowing that 1898 01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:33,120 hey if she can heal her patients as a 1899 01:23:37,729 --> 01:23:35,460 Healer without even putting her you know 1900 01:23:40,010 --> 01:23:37,739 like laying your hands on somebody it's 1901 01:23:42,110 --> 01:23:40,020 very fascinating so that's another 1902 01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:42,120 aspect of what we were doing 1903 01:23:47,630 --> 01:23:44,640 um we spent the day with 1904 01:23:50,090 --> 01:23:47,640 Alexander um Dr Alexander 1905 01:23:53,930 --> 01:23:50,100 um Evan that or I'm sorry I got a 1906 01:23:56,209 --> 01:23:53,940 backwards Dr Evan Alexander who had a 1907 01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:56,219 profound near-death experience and he 1908 01:24:02,030 --> 01:23:59,340 was a staunch science empirical science 1909 01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:02,040 Advocate that kind of changed his mind 1910 01:24:05,209 --> 01:24:04,260 about the nature of Consciousness and 1911 01:24:07,729 --> 01:24:05,219 reality 1912 01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:07,739 after he had this experience that he 1913 01:24:15,169 --> 01:24:11,100 then came back from that near-death 1914 01:24:19,070 --> 01:24:15,179 experience and began promoting the idea 1915 01:24:21,130 --> 01:24:19,080 that death is not the end that our lives 1916 01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:21,140 and our Consciousness and so on continue 1917 01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:25,020 after we pass on and it's become his 1918 01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:26,520 sort of his life's mission to help 1919 01:24:33,410 --> 01:24:29,940 promote this idea that there is hope and 1920 01:24:34,910 --> 01:24:33,420 in some ways the film that Bob Davis 1921 01:24:37,010 --> 01:24:34,920 brought to me and the one that we're 1922 01:24:39,229 --> 01:24:37,020 doing in some ways that's part of what 1923 01:24:41,570 --> 01:24:39,239 I'm trying to do is to create this um 1924 01:24:43,370 --> 01:24:41,580 story and narrative line that lets 1925 01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,380 people know that look you know 1926 01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:45,719 it's sort of woo yeah I mean we're 1927 01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,100 talking about subjects that are a little 1928 01:24:51,430 --> 01:24:49,800 bit of woo in there but it's also um 1929 01:24:54,530 --> 01:24:51,440 going to provide people with some hope 1930 01:24:56,090 --> 01:24:54,540 specifically that if you have loved ones 1931 01:24:58,729 --> 01:24:56,100 you care about that maybe have passed on 1932 01:25:00,590 --> 01:24:58,739 maybe you will see them again and and 1933 01:25:02,750 --> 01:25:00,600 these individuals that have had these 1934 01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:02,760 experience say that that's true they say 1935 01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,040 that they have met individuals that 1936 01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,199 during their experience that have passed 1937 01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,360 on their loved ones for instance and 1938 01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:12,000 really that's if if they're correct and 1939 01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:13,980 that's where we're kind of headed that 1940 01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,020 all of our all the people that are 1941 01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:17,760 involved in our lives that are close to 1942 01:25:24,290 --> 01:25:22,080 us in our family that we lose maybe we 1943 01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:24,300 will see them again you know I lost my 1944 01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:27,600 mom 92 years old last year 1945 01:25:34,130 --> 01:25:30,360 I'm hopeful and I know that she believed 1946 01:25:36,050 --> 01:25:34,140 that was the case and um you know I told 1947 01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:36,060 her before she she passed I said you 1948 01:25:40,030 --> 01:25:38,100 know Mom if that's true then help me get 1949 01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,040 this film made 1950 01:25:44,330 --> 01:25:42,719 here's the dangerous part 1951 01:25:46,189 --> 01:25:44,340 and we're gonna continue this 1952 01:25:47,090 --> 01:25:46,199 conversation but here's the dangerous 1953 01:25:49,610 --> 01:25:47,100 part 1954 01:25:54,110 --> 01:25:49,620 I don't know 1955 01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:54,120 if we need to prove this 1956 01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:57,060 I I don't know if it's necessarily a 1957 01:26:02,570 --> 01:25:58,320 good idea 1958 01:26:06,290 --> 01:26:02,580 hear me out hear me out 1959 01:26:08,810 --> 01:26:06,300 I mean if you want if if you want proof 1960 01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:08,820 of uh another dimension just go to sleep 1961 01:26:16,250 --> 01:26:12,780 and dream I'm pretty sure I'm convinced 1962 01:26:19,610 --> 01:26:16,260 that that is another world that you're 1963 01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:19,620 entering all right I I I I truly believe 1964 01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,920 that but if we prove that there is an 1965 01:26:28,850 --> 01:26:27,120 afterlife 1966 01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:28,860 that's wonderful 1967 01:26:37,189 --> 01:26:31,920 right everything you know unicorns 1968 01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:37,199 if we prove that then anybody that has 1969 01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,840 something funky go wrong with their day 1970 01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:43,920 screw it 1971 01:26:52,189 --> 01:26:49,380 next I'm gonna go up you know I don't 1972 01:26:56,570 --> 01:26:52,199 know if we want to I know I don't know 1973 01:27:00,169 --> 01:26:56,580 if we want to prove that because then it 1974 01:27:03,110 --> 01:27:00,179 it says that what we're doing now this 1975 01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:03,120 physical world that we're in isn't as 1976 01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:03,960 cool 1977 01:27:10,250 --> 01:27:06,239 as what's coming next 1978 01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,260 right and yeah you know what I'm and I 1979 01:27:14,689 --> 01:27:12,480 don't want to use language here because 1980 01:27:16,970 --> 01:27:14,699 it's sure it's you know it's it's 1981 01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:16,980 disturbing but but you know where I'm 1982 01:27:24,590 --> 01:27:20,520 going with this right and yeah do we do 1983 01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:24,600 we are some things just best left to a 1984 01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:25,980 question mark 1985 01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:29,580 well I mean let's let's ask some of the 1986 01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,280 people that have had these experience is 1987 01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:34,800 or the the experts that have been 1988 01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,920 studying this for you know 40 50 years 1989 01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:41,040 you know some of the uh doctors that 1990 01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:42,960 have you know Bruce Grayson for instance 1991 01:27:50,209 --> 01:27:47,340 that had uh be studying individuals in 1992 01:27:53,149 --> 01:27:50,219 cases and developing sort of protocols 1993 01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,159 for understanding what these individuals 1994 01:27:57,709 --> 01:27:55,920 are reporting back you know maybe that 1995 01:28:00,890 --> 01:27:57,719 there there is something much more 1996 01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:00,900 profound to the reason we're here and 1997 01:28:06,770 --> 01:28:04,860 that even if we became aware of much 1998 01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:06,780 more about say 1999 01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:11,219 are our Eternal selves the validity of 2000 01:28:18,169 --> 01:28:14,639 our who we are that we are Eternal 2001 01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:18,179 um that suicide for instance is not 2002 01:28:21,530 --> 01:28:19,380 something that's going to help you 2003 01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:21,540 because it's it's sort of like a 2004 01:28:27,770 --> 01:28:24,840 feedback cycle in essence some you can't 2005 01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:27,780 get out of graduation you have to 2006 01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,060 complete what you're doing here it's an 2007 01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:31,920 agreement that you may not be aware of 2008 01:28:35,689 --> 01:28:33,900 while you're awake and maybe when you're 2009 01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,699 having a dream you are aware of some of 2010 01:28:39,950 --> 01:28:38,159 this stuff but it's possible that that 2011 01:28:42,110 --> 01:28:39,960 there's that's part of it I think it is 2012 01:28:43,370 --> 01:28:42,120 I mean I think that I have experience 2013 01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:43,380 with 2014 01:28:48,410 --> 01:28:46,500 um that in my life and my family 2015 01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,420 um and how do I feel about it I don't 2016 01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:50,400 know I mean I'm not like is that the 2017 01:28:56,590 --> 01:28:52,739 reason that that happened that somebody 2018 01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:56,600 felt that they became aware of 2019 01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:00,960 this kind of camouflage system of this 2020 01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,480 environment that we exist in here is 2021 01:29:09,709 --> 01:29:06,000 camouflage to a much higher order 2022 01:29:12,470 --> 01:29:09,719 existence and Consciousness is you know 2023 01:29:14,570 --> 01:29:12,480 a projection and so that you know it 2024 01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:14,580 doesn't matter we can just like 2025 01:29:18,770 --> 01:29:15,840 um you know 2026 01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:18,780 in a video game you can go back to that 2027 01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:20,699 start Point again or whatever and start 2028 01:29:25,550 --> 01:29:22,920 over if you're not happy with where you 2029 01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:25,560 are I don't know that that's I mean I 2030 01:29:29,629 --> 01:29:27,719 hear what you're saying in it's possible 2031 01:29:31,850 --> 01:29:29,639 that someone could have that belief 2032 01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:31,860 system if they became aware but I think 2033 01:29:35,209 --> 01:29:32,760 that 2034 01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:35,219 um the topic is really fascinating and 2035 01:29:37,790 --> 01:29:36,060 so 2036 01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,800 I don't think that we're providing an 2037 01:29:40,970 --> 01:29:39,360 answer necessarily in the film that 2038 01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:40,980 we're doing we're exploring the the 2039 01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,159 subject matter through the lens of these 2040 01:29:49,129 --> 01:29:46,320 experts that have spent their whole 2041 01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:49,139 lives specifically in one area or other 2042 01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:51,300 of the study whether it's um you know 2043 01:29:56,689 --> 01:29:54,120 Neuroscience whether it's somebody 2044 01:29:58,310 --> 01:29:56,699 that's um studying people that have had 2045 01:30:00,350 --> 01:29:58,320 Close Encounters 2046 01:30:02,510 --> 01:30:00,360 um with UAP for instance and the 2047 01:30:04,669 --> 01:30:02,520 physical effects of that whether it's 2048 01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,679 somebody that's studying parapsychology 2049 01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:06,719 and kind of putting that together and 2050 01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:09,060 then letting the viewers come to their 2051 01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:11,520 own conclusions by presenting this 2052 01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:12,960 information to them 2053 01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:15,540 do I think that we will become aware of 2054 01:30:20,090 --> 01:30:17,040 some of this stuff I really do I think 2055 01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:20,100 that that's another Paradigm maybe shift 2056 01:30:25,729 --> 01:30:23,520 in our Collective understanding of our 2057 01:30:29,930 --> 01:30:25,739 the nature of our reality as time goes 2058 01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:29,940 on maybe AI will help us with this 2059 01:30:35,209 --> 01:30:32,699 um as we move forward to understand the 2060 01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,219 true nature of Consciousness are there 2061 01:30:41,390 --> 01:30:37,679 other dimensions are there non-human 2062 01:30:43,370 --> 01:30:41,400 intelligence visiting our planet that 2063 01:30:45,169 --> 01:30:43,380 are not coming from other star systems 2064 01:30:47,870 --> 01:30:45,179 are they coming from some higher order 2065 01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:47,880 Dimension that David grush I mean that's 2066 01:30:51,410 --> 01:30:49,260 part of what the guy is saying I mean 2067 01:30:55,370 --> 01:30:51,420 people say oh yeah we have a crashed UFO 2068 01:30:56,750 --> 01:30:55,380 but he's suggesting he says it's a 2069 01:30:58,250 --> 01:30:56,760 theory and he doesn't you know I don't 2070 01:31:00,770 --> 01:30:58,260 think he's saying that we have proof of 2071 01:31:02,629 --> 01:31:00,780 this but he's saying it there's a theory 2072 01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:02,639 that there could be a higher dimensional 2073 01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,340 dimensional order of existence and these 2074 01:31:10,669 --> 01:31:07,440 these Technologies may be emerging from 2075 01:31:12,970 --> 01:31:10,679 that and it's somehow co-located his 2076 01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:12,980 words with us in this physical reality 2077 01:31:18,770 --> 01:31:17,219 right so is consciousness also is that 2078 01:31:21,950 --> 01:31:18,780 where that's coming from 2079 01:31:25,490 --> 01:31:21,960 it's pretty interesting thought it is it 2080 01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:25,500 is and if you if you if you take all of 2081 01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:28,860 that and before I love the word woo and 2082 01:31:35,810 --> 01:31:31,199 I'm glad you threw that in there 2083 01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:35,820 because here's here's here's the the 2084 01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:38,639 hard science part of it when we get into 2085 01:31:45,649 --> 01:31:41,600 quantum physics and quantum mechanics 2086 01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:45,659 and and some of these basic theories and 2087 01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:49,679 and the laws of physics where now we are 2088 01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:51,600 told 2089 01:31:58,370 --> 01:31:54,719 by a physicist with a straight face 2090 01:32:03,110 --> 01:31:58,380 right a straight face 2091 01:32:06,050 --> 01:32:03,120 you can change the state of something by 2092 01:32:08,420 --> 01:32:06,060 just looking at it 2093 01:32:12,770 --> 01:32:08,430 it's like what would you just say 2094 01:32:17,810 --> 01:32:15,530 you don't believe in ghosts right you 2095 01:32:20,570 --> 01:32:17,820 have issues with Consciousness but 2096 01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:20,580 you're telling me I can change something 2097 01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:22,560 by looking at it 2098 01:32:31,550 --> 01:32:25,800 and it's like they want it both ways 2099 01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:31,560 to suggest that entanglement is is a 2100 01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:35,159 part of not only the laws of physics 2101 01:32:42,050 --> 01:32:38,000 right to have two particles 2102 01:32:44,689 --> 01:32:42,060 Across the Universe right reacting at 2103 01:32:48,189 --> 01:32:44,699 the exact same time to each other 2104 01:32:51,370 --> 01:32:48,199 now we're getting into some full-on woo 2105 01:32:54,649 --> 01:32:51,380 but like you were saying 2106 01:32:56,750 --> 01:32:54,659 healing somebody without touching them 2107 01:32:58,689 --> 01:32:56,760 it's exactly what the physicists are 2108 01:33:01,970 --> 01:32:58,699 trying to tell us 2109 01:33:05,870 --> 01:33:01,980 communicating in life after death and 2110 01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:05,880 and and telekinesis all of this is 2111 01:33:10,910 --> 01:33:07,860 exactly what the physicists are trying 2112 01:33:12,830 --> 01:33:10,920 to convince us of anyway right 2113 01:33:15,229 --> 01:33:12,840 it's pretty fascinating 2114 01:33:16,490 --> 01:33:15,239 um you know when you look at some of the 2115 01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:16,500 physicists 2116 01:33:21,709 --> 01:33:19,020 um that are involved in the space of say 2117 01:33:23,450 --> 01:33:21,719 parapsychology and you really take a 2118 01:33:25,390 --> 01:33:23,460 deep dive into it there's some very 2119 01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:25,400 interesting what I would call 2120 01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:28,440 science-based ideals and you know Tom 2121 01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,340 Campbell is one such scientist his book 2122 01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:34,800 called uh my big toe or theory of 2123 01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:37,620 everything goes into it with thousands 2124 01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:41,120 of pages of well thought out logically 2125 01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:45,360 Pace information that might suggest that 2126 01:33:50,810 --> 01:33:48,480 some of this stuff in quantum mechanics 2127 01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:50,820 we're going to figure out plays a lot 2128 01:33:54,830 --> 01:33:52,260 more role in who we are in our 2129 01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:54,840 Consciousness than we've ever conceived 2130 01:34:01,610 --> 01:33:58,800 of that that the ideas of um you know 2131 01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:01,620 waves and particles and so on 2132 01:34:04,250 --> 01:34:02,400 um 2133 01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:04,260 could be you know because everything's 2134 01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:07,199 really everything is Fields if you get 2135 01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:10,260 it down to that those levels of uh 2136 01:34:14,270 --> 01:34:11,820 quantum mechanics everything there's 2137 01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,280 space between everything it's not solid 2138 01:34:19,310 --> 01:34:17,040 and there's uh electromagnetic fields 2139 01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:19,320 and so on again I'm not a physicist but 2140 01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:21,540 it's still fascinating to me to hear 2141 01:34:25,610 --> 01:34:24,179 some of these guys ideas and we hope to 2142 01:34:27,890 --> 01:34:25,620 talk to Tom 2143 01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,900 um this year so that's another thing so 2144 01:34:32,990 --> 01:34:30,239 we're trying to bring in the science 2145 01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:33,000 aspects of the woo and even though I 2146 01:34:36,649 --> 01:34:34,800 know that there's a lot of Skeptics out 2147 01:34:39,229 --> 01:34:36,659 there that don't even want anyone to 2148 01:34:41,570 --> 01:34:39,239 like present this type of information 2149 01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:41,580 the minute you start talking about 2150 01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,159 parapsychology it's just you know they 2151 01:34:48,470 --> 01:34:46,080 they throw up their hands they don't 2152 01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:48,480 want to hear about it so I'm sure that 2153 01:34:52,729 --> 01:34:50,580 you know there they'll be those critics 2154 01:34:54,530 --> 01:34:52,739 out there of this material but I still 2155 01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:54,540 think it's fascinating in putting it 2156 01:34:58,729 --> 01:34:55,679 together 2157 01:35:01,070 --> 01:34:58,739 um in a way that is cohesive that looks 2158 01:35:03,050 --> 01:35:01,080 at all these different experts and 2159 01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:03,060 specifically trying to maintain that 2160 01:35:09,410 --> 01:35:05,880 balance to saying you know there's this 2161 01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:09,420 subjective side of it witnesses that 2162 01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:12,000 report the the idea of near-death 2163 01:35:16,610 --> 01:35:13,500 experience 2164 01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:16,620 um practitioners that are um saying that 2165 01:35:22,669 --> 01:35:19,739 they have developed techniques to travel 2166 01:35:25,129 --> 01:35:22,679 outside of their body by going into a 2167 01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:25,139 meditative state that they can you know 2168 01:35:30,649 --> 01:35:27,900 repeatedly exit their physical body 2169 01:35:34,310 --> 01:35:30,659 while maintaining waking consciousness 2170 01:35:38,090 --> 01:35:34,320 and that they can emerge from their 2171 01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:38,100 physical body and go to locations that 2172 01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,880 have road maps now this is stuff that 2173 01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:44,400 I've learned that is you know they it's 2174 01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,340 subjective they're basically saying that 2175 01:35:52,010 --> 01:35:49,199 they can go to the same locations 2176 01:35:54,110 --> 01:35:52,020 outside of their physical body each time 2177 01:35:56,510 --> 01:35:54,120 they they conduct these out of body 2178 01:35:58,189 --> 01:35:56,520 experiences basically and that they've 2179 01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:58,199 kind of created road maps of these 2180 01:36:02,629 --> 01:35:59,699 places and they teach it to other people 2181 01:36:04,669 --> 01:36:02,639 so in other people in groups can 2182 01:36:07,370 --> 01:36:04,679 experience it and and these groups of 2183 01:36:10,610 --> 01:36:07,380 people all report yeah like I've reached 2184 01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:10,620 this other level and I experienced the 2185 01:36:13,370 --> 01:36:12,060 same thing you were telling me that I 2186 01:36:14,709 --> 01:36:13,380 would experience which is very 2187 01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:14,719 interesting because 2188 01:36:19,310 --> 01:36:17,400 science is going to look at that as woo 2189 01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:19,320 that these people are delusional and 2190 01:36:23,870 --> 01:36:21,360 they're just basically making this stuff 2191 01:36:26,390 --> 01:36:23,880 up but you know it's pretty compelling 2192 01:36:28,850 --> 01:36:26,400 when you listen to the stories and 2193 01:36:31,250 --> 01:36:28,860 um I don't I'm not sure that a lot of 2194 01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,260 people are aware of it you know it is 2195 01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,360 out there and if you're interested in 2196 01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:35,760 this um these spaces of you know 2197 01:36:39,530 --> 01:36:38,159 parapsychology and ESP and so on a lot 2198 01:36:40,390 --> 01:36:39,540 of people read a lot of books and they 2199 01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:40,400 know about 2200 01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:44,940 Obe and um nde in in PSI and all this 2201 01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:46,800 stuff but there's quite a bit of people 2202 01:36:50,990 --> 01:36:49,320 I talk to all the time that not only um 2203 01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:51,000 you know they don't know anything about 2204 01:36:54,530 --> 01:36:52,320 it they're kind of skeptical right off 2205 01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:54,540 the bat so maybe hearing from some 2206 01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:55,920 experts 2207 01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:58,560 um and some experiencers that will 2208 01:37:03,350 --> 01:37:01,739 provide first-hand subjective uh 2209 01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:03,360 descriptions of their own experiences 2210 01:37:07,490 --> 01:37:05,040 will be very 2211 01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:07,500 um enlightening for people for sure 2212 01:37:10,850 --> 01:37:09,840 the 2213 01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:10,860 um 2214 01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:13,920 the part about this that I'm so 2215 01:37:20,570 --> 01:37:15,420 fascinated with 2216 01:37:22,790 --> 01:37:20,580 is that if if these experiences and we 2217 01:37:25,129 --> 01:37:22,800 can we can talk about DMT and we can 2218 01:37:27,890 --> 01:37:25,139 talk about uh you know a parallel world 2219 01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:27,900 and you know physics will talk about the 2220 01:37:33,950 --> 01:37:30,060 Multiverse and extra dimensions and 2221 01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:33,960 string theory uh and then Obe and ndes 2222 01:37:40,610 --> 01:37:36,120 you're absolutely right I think that 2223 01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:40,620 we're all uh we we need we need one more 2224 01:37:45,229 --> 01:37:42,960 word in the English language we don't 2225 01:37:47,810 --> 01:37:45,239 have that word yet because I think that 2226 01:37:51,229 --> 01:37:47,820 if you know what I mean or it's it's all 2227 01:37:54,129 --> 01:37:51,239 the same thing right it's all and we 2228 01:37:58,610 --> 01:37:54,139 just don't have a word for it because 2229 01:38:01,209 --> 01:37:58,620 the ability to to do anything outside of 2230 01:38:05,570 --> 01:38:01,219 the physical no matter what it may be 2231 01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:05,580 channeling communication healing the 2232 01:38:10,910 --> 01:38:09,239 dream state whatever it is it's it's all 2233 01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:10,920 the same thing we just don't have the 2234 01:38:16,430 --> 01:38:13,320 right word for it yet so we did we 2235 01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:16,440 trying to communicate the idea we don't 2236 01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,880 have that word yet 2237 01:38:22,370 --> 01:38:20,400 yeah I mean really 2238 01:38:24,050 --> 01:38:22,380 I mean to me it's like the Eternal 2239 01:38:25,970 --> 01:38:24,060 question what is the meaning of life I 2240 01:38:28,729 --> 01:38:25,980 mean that's kind of this this film that 2241 01:38:32,510 --> 01:38:28,739 we're doing we're basically saying okay 2242 01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,520 we we are born on this planet and we try 2243 01:38:37,729 --> 01:38:35,040 to live our lives effectively based on 2244 01:38:40,430 --> 01:38:37,739 our communities and our society and we 2245 01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:40,440 try to do good and we're all striving to 2246 01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:42,840 like say well is this really all it is 2247 01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:44,760 that we just kind of you know became 2248 01:38:48,410 --> 01:38:46,380 aware in our mother's womb and then we 2249 01:38:51,169 --> 01:38:48,420 were born and then we have our lives and 2250 01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:51,179 then we die and that's it that's kind of 2251 01:38:56,270 --> 01:38:53,880 what we're told although religions try 2252 01:38:59,209 --> 01:38:56,280 to give us some hope it's still like 2253 01:39:02,209 --> 01:38:59,219 those are pretty ancient ideas that go 2254 01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:02,219 back to archaic times oftentimes 2255 01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,219 you know not all but like you know a lot 2256 01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:07,199 of it's very difficult to comprehend and 2257 01:39:11,689 --> 01:39:10,080 apply to our modern lives I think that 2258 01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:11,699 there's going to be a convergence of 2259 01:39:16,850 --> 01:39:13,679 technology and what I might call 2260 01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:16,860 spiritualism and some of these 2261 01:39:21,950 --> 01:39:19,260 um scientists are also talk about that 2262 01:39:23,689 --> 01:39:21,960 you know maybe spiritual technology I 2263 01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:23,699 don't know but it's like yeah yeah yeah 2264 01:39:30,110 --> 01:39:26,940 yeah where's the bridge between right 2265 01:39:32,209 --> 01:39:30,120 um and then are we ready to 2266 01:39:35,090 --> 01:39:32,219 um make that bridge and make take that 2267 01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:35,100 next step to have a discovery that would 2268 01:39:41,870 --> 01:39:39,000 be profoundly you know human but also 2269 01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:41,880 take us maybe to the next level of 2270 01:39:49,129 --> 01:39:45,179 understanding of existence I think that 2271 01:39:52,129 --> 01:39:49,139 that those answers are out there we have 2272 01:39:54,770 --> 01:39:52,139 I mean look at the you know copernican 2273 01:39:57,530 --> 01:39:54,780 Revolution and so on becoming aware of 2274 01:40:00,169 --> 01:39:57,540 the planetary motion and and how it 2275 01:40:02,209 --> 01:40:00,179 worked before that we had no idea and 2276 01:40:04,910 --> 01:40:02,219 and it was right in front of us we just 2277 01:40:07,129 --> 01:40:04,920 couldn't conceive of it maybe that that 2278 01:40:09,709 --> 01:40:07,139 those types of discoveries will occur 2279 01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:09,719 and I think it might be in these fields 2280 01:40:15,129 --> 01:40:12,600 the subject area of what might be called 2281 01:40:18,610 --> 01:40:15,139 non-human intelligence you know 2282 01:40:21,110 --> 01:40:18,620 hopefully you know these experts or 2283 01:40:23,050 --> 01:40:21,120 military and government officials that 2284 01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:23,060 claim that this stuff really exists 2285 01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,739 that's going to help us lead us to that 2286 01:40:30,169 --> 01:40:27,600 next stop 2287 01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:30,179 um becoming aware of you know how 2288 01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:33,420 science is getting closer to creating 2289 01:40:37,729 --> 01:40:36,420 um a bridge and where did these 2290 01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:37,739 connections 2291 01:40:43,010 --> 01:40:40,080 um between who we are in Consciousness 2292 01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:43,020 and and so on exist 2293 01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:44,820 um maybe it's the Next Generation maybe 2294 01:40:47,689 --> 01:40:46,260 it's the Next Generation after that I'm 2295 01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:47,699 not sure 2296 01:40:53,169 --> 01:40:51,480 you know physicists scientists so 2297 01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:53,179 pragmatic and black and white right 2298 01:40:59,629 --> 01:40:56,400 atheist non-spiritual most of them not 2299 01:41:01,790 --> 01:40:59,639 all you know but but we can put most of 2300 01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:01,800 them in one box and I get that I 2301 01:41:06,649 --> 01:41:04,560 understand it's chemistry and it's a 2302 01:41:09,890 --> 01:41:06,659 physical world yeah object objective 2303 01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:09,900 science right yeah yeah absolutely but 2304 01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,530 um the last chapter 2305 01:41:23,689 --> 01:41:20,880 so he breaks down check this out now 2306 01:41:28,430 --> 01:41:23,699 this is we're talking about Brian Greene 2307 01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:28,440 okay Brian Gray not you know no Brian 2308 01:41:34,129 --> 01:41:31,080 Greene and he says this Dave 2309 01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:34,139 he says he breaks down 2310 01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:37,739 um the the status of everything times 2311 01:41:44,750 --> 01:41:43,199 ten uh in years so you know boom our 2312 01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:44,760 planet is 2313 01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:48,420 4.5 billion years old right so times 10 2314 01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:52,260 right and then then times 10. 2315 01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:55,020 um when you push the universe out the 2316 01:42:00,050 --> 01:41:58,260 age to these huge numbers right so now 2317 01:42:03,229 --> 01:42:00,060 let's go to 2318 01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:03,239 100 trillion years from now 2319 01:42:08,450 --> 01:42:06,119 that's a bit it's a long when you 2320 01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:08,460 consider we're at 13.8 billion years 2321 01:42:14,330 --> 01:42:10,980 right so a hundred trillion years in the 2322 01:42:17,750 --> 01:42:14,340 future well in in like a trillion years 2323 01:42:20,330 --> 01:42:17,760 everything is going to come apart 2324 01:42:21,850 --> 01:42:20,340 okay it's gonna come apart gravity 2325 01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:21,860 things 2326 01:42:28,970 --> 01:42:25,080 energy is going to run out but he says a 2327 01:42:31,370 --> 01:42:28,980 hundred trillion years in the future 2328 01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:31,380 there's no particles 2329 01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,780 there's nothing left 2330 01:42:39,350 --> 01:42:35,940 it's all gone 2331 01:42:41,689 --> 01:42:39,360 the only thing left and these are his 2332 01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:41,699 words 2333 01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,850 that's right 2334 01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:48,719 thought 2335 01:42:52,729 --> 01:42:50,760 thinking 2336 01:42:55,490 --> 01:42:52,739 that's the energy 2337 01:42:58,490 --> 01:42:55,500 of the universe that's all now and 2338 01:43:01,850 --> 01:42:58,500 that's his roundabout way and it's a 2339 01:43:04,370 --> 01:43:01,860 heavy that's a heavy consideration right 2340 01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:04,380 just ponder that 2341 01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:07,920 but it's it's his way in the scientific 2342 01:43:12,169 --> 01:43:10,560 method of discussing 2343 01:43:15,590 --> 01:43:12,179 consciousness 2344 01:43:17,629 --> 01:43:15,600 but he can't use that word in his book 2345 01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:17,639 you know what I mean 2346 01:43:24,649 --> 01:43:21,060 it's very strange and he says thought 2347 01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:24,659 needs energy to think 2348 01:43:30,370 --> 01:43:27,780 this is his words and he says so you 2349 01:43:33,530 --> 01:43:30,380 have those clouds of thought 2350 01:43:38,209 --> 01:43:33,540 roaming space 2351 01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:38,219 looking for little last particles of 2352 01:43:43,609 --> 01:43:42,060 energy that are shooting by and go and 2353 01:43:49,609 --> 01:43:43,619 Gobble it up 2354 01:43:52,510 --> 01:43:49,619 right some random Photon it's just and 2355 01:43:56,990 --> 01:43:52,520 and because thought still needs energy 2356 01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,000 in an energy-less vacuum 2357 01:44:01,970 --> 01:43:59,760 right to exist and to still think but 2358 01:44:03,290 --> 01:44:01,980 that's all that will be left at the end 2359 01:44:07,129 --> 01:44:03,300 of time 2360 01:44:09,050 --> 01:44:07,139 wow yeah heavy huh yeah 2361 01:44:12,010 --> 01:44:09,060 yeah how do you like what's the next 2362 01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,020 chapter like okay 2363 01:44:15,950 --> 01:44:14,340 well I mean maybe it's the opposite 2364 01:44:18,530 --> 01:44:15,960 because perhaps that's where it all 2365 01:44:20,330 --> 01:44:18,540 started you know and as well like it 2366 01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:20,340 went just the opposite direction because 2367 01:44:26,090 --> 01:44:23,639 you could say that entropy entropy means 2368 01:44:30,169 --> 01:44:26,100 the slow degradation of every single 2369 01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,179 thing and that um Consciousness may be 2370 01:44:37,609 --> 01:44:33,440 um a process an evolutionary process 2371 01:44:39,530 --> 01:44:37,619 that tries to reduce entropy 2372 01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:39,540 um and that that's what we're doing 2373 01:44:44,330 --> 01:44:40,980 we're continually trying to reduce 2374 01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:44,340 entropy to keep systems from falling 2375 01:44:50,209 --> 01:44:47,400 apart into degradation 2376 01:44:54,109 --> 01:44:50,219 um will it eventually end up uh you know 2377 01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:54,119 every single party particles like you 2378 01:44:59,629 --> 01:44:56,520 know separates into nothing but thought 2379 01:45:01,310 --> 01:44:59,639 you know maybe so I'm not sure in in 2380 01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:01,320 that time frame 2381 01:45:06,109 --> 01:45:02,940 it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's 2382 01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:06,119 it's pretty amazing where 2383 01:45:13,010 --> 01:45:10,560 um and it's like a cycle I like the way 2384 01:45:15,770 --> 01:45:13,020 you deduce that because that's exactly 2385 01:45:18,290 --> 01:45:15,780 where I was at the end of the book I've 2386 01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:18,300 read the book so many times now I I 2387 01:45:22,189 --> 01:45:20,760 can't tell you just flip it over and 2388 01:45:24,470 --> 01:45:22,199 start send me a link to that I 2389 01:45:26,750 --> 01:45:24,480 definitely want to read that one it's uh 2390 01:45:28,689 --> 01:45:26,760 until the end of time it's it's an 2391 01:45:33,709 --> 01:45:28,699 amazing book anyway 2392 01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:33,719 so it's like this cyclical situation 2393 01:45:39,229 --> 01:45:36,239 right where 2394 01:45:41,570 --> 01:45:39,239 um everything comes a bit of all that is 2395 01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:41,580 left is all of the knowledge and the 2396 01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:44,460 thinking of everything that ever was 2397 01:45:50,030 --> 01:45:46,980 and then it all starts over again 2398 01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:50,040 right and that is the Consciousness that 2399 01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:54,000 we're talking about and how it exists in 2400 01:46:02,930 --> 01:45:57,840 the the non-physical form right right 2401 01:46:05,870 --> 01:46:02,940 and then you know Planet stars are and 2402 01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:05,880 then here we are right I mean if you 2403 01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:09,360 have like an unbounded Oneness as Tom 2404 01:46:16,490 --> 01:46:12,000 Campbell describes as sort of that 2405 01:46:18,649 --> 01:46:16,500 primary Consciousness that basically 2406 01:46:20,930 --> 01:46:18,659 um would be thought and then within that 2407 01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:20,940 you have uh 2408 01:46:27,890 --> 01:46:24,300 um Eddies or disturbances within those 2409 01:46:30,169 --> 01:46:27,900 fields that over time are um developed 2410 01:46:32,330 --> 01:46:30,179 and I mean in some ways you could say 2411 01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:32,340 that those are individual universes 2412 01:46:37,010 --> 01:46:34,260 really or individual 2413 01:46:39,890 --> 01:46:37,020 um Dimensions that could exist 2414 01:46:44,149 --> 01:46:39,900 concurrently and you know I mean if that 2415 01:46:47,930 --> 01:46:44,159 is true then one complete system could 2416 01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:47,940 um cease to exist and then reform and 2417 01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:51,600 create another system so it's so complex 2418 01:46:54,830 --> 01:46:53,460 it's hard to wrap your brain around it 2419 01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,840 that's for sure and you do have to read 2420 01:46:59,390 --> 01:46:56,880 some of these scientists that are 2421 01:47:00,770 --> 01:46:59,400 writing green and Campbell for instance 2422 01:47:03,169 --> 01:47:00,780 you're gonna have to read the stuff 2423 01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:03,179 several times I find myself 2424 01:47:08,149 --> 01:47:05,520 um contemplating what they're saying and 2425 01:47:10,790 --> 01:47:08,159 having to digest it just to understand 2426 01:47:13,070 --> 01:47:10,800 what the the ramifications are because 2427 01:47:16,430 --> 01:47:13,080 it's so enormous and you have to then 2428 01:47:19,310 --> 01:47:16,440 start to try to say can I even 2429 01:47:21,169 --> 01:47:19,320 um begin to accept this in my world view 2430 01:47:24,050 --> 01:47:21,179 in my 2431 01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:24,060 um spirituality that this could possibly 2432 01:47:28,609 --> 01:47:26,460 be true that this stuff exists it's on 2433 01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:28,619 such a higher level 2434 01:47:31,490 --> 01:47:29,940 um it's it's yeah I mean it's 2435 01:47:33,590 --> 01:47:31,500 fascinating and that's what I'm doing 2436 01:47:35,149 --> 01:47:33,600 you know with this film it's like I'm 2437 01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:35,159 starting from 2438 01:47:39,709 --> 01:47:37,800 um you know the Starting Gate going look 2439 01:47:41,470 --> 01:47:39,719 I'm not a scientist I don't know that 2440 01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:41,480 much about the study of Consciousness 2441 01:47:46,729 --> 01:47:43,920 whereas Bob Davis 2442 01:47:49,010 --> 01:47:46,739 um has a lot more experience discussing 2443 01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:49,020 this and understanding it and trying to 2444 01:47:53,629 --> 01:47:51,060 get up to speed so that's like a really 2445 01:47:55,550 --> 01:47:53,639 um fun part of this project and then in 2446 01:47:58,550 --> 01:47:55,560 addition to that 2447 01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:58,560 what what a you know humbling experience 2448 01:48:02,510 --> 01:48:00,960 and what a blessing it is for me to be 2449 01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:02,520 able to speak to some of these 2450 01:48:07,970 --> 01:48:05,280 individuals that have spent their lives 2451 01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,980 contemplating this and then being able 2452 01:48:12,050 --> 01:48:09,600 to share that with the audience is like 2453 01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:12,060 gonna be like super super 2454 01:48:15,050 --> 01:48:13,679 um special to do and I can't wait to 2455 01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:15,060 share some of this stuff 2456 01:48:24,830 --> 01:48:23,090 right at the right right at the wrong 2457 01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,840 time right 2458 01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:27,840 um what have you learned though 2459 01:48:32,870 --> 01:48:30,420 um and and it's it's a it's a basic 2460 01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,880 question uh when when I asked something 2461 01:48:38,030 --> 01:48:34,639 like that 2462 01:48:41,090 --> 01:48:38,040 what do you think comes first 2463 01:48:43,850 --> 01:48:41,100 right consciousness 2464 01:48:45,709 --> 01:48:43,860 or chemistry 2465 01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:45,719 which which 2466 01:48:51,649 --> 01:48:48,960 right it's we're at like the chicken or 2467 01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:51,659 the egg uh situation here 2468 01:48:57,290 --> 01:48:54,000 which came first 2469 01:48:59,149 --> 01:48:57,300 yeah I mean that's that's kind of the 2470 01:49:03,229 --> 01:48:59,159 problem that 2471 01:49:05,930 --> 01:49:03,239 science Material Science has when you go 2472 01:49:07,850 --> 01:49:05,940 back to the very very beginning and I 2473 01:49:10,609 --> 01:49:07,860 think the the terminology might be 2474 01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:10,619 called objective causality 2475 01:49:14,510 --> 01:49:12,420 um and it's a conundrum in the sense 2476 01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,520 that science 2477 01:49:19,550 --> 01:49:16,800 can go back to that very beginning but 2478 01:49:21,649 --> 01:49:19,560 then they have to go into subjective 2479 01:49:24,669 --> 01:49:21,659 ideals to explain what happened before 2480 01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:24,679 that right like if 2481 01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:28,320 the nature of physical reality what you 2482 01:49:33,709 --> 01:49:31,199 have to go what happened before that and 2483 01:49:35,870 --> 01:49:33,719 then you're in the realm of religion and 2484 01:49:38,209 --> 01:49:35,880 beliefs of what happened because you 2485 01:49:41,209 --> 01:49:38,219 can't predict that at that point you 2486 01:49:43,930 --> 01:49:41,219 can't go beyond that in some ways if you 2487 01:49:47,450 --> 01:49:43,940 flip it around and then go into a 2488 01:49:50,030 --> 01:49:47,460 primary Consciousness model where 2489 01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,040 Consciousness is the first 2490 01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,080 um energy field and then physical 2491 01:49:58,669 --> 01:49:55,440 reality merges from that it does in some 2492 01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:58,679 ways as I understand it begin to answer 2493 01:50:04,729 --> 01:50:00,480 some of those questions so that you can 2494 01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:04,739 go before uh the first manifestation 2495 01:50:08,990 --> 01:50:07,080 manifestation of physical matter and 2496 01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:09,000 reality 2497 01:50:16,609 --> 01:50:13,920 but it is is four and a half not even 2498 01:50:19,729 --> 01:50:16,619 four and a half billion years uh for us 2499 01:50:22,970 --> 01:50:19,739 on Earth if we listen to 2500 01:50:26,090 --> 01:50:22,980 you know uh somebody that's educated 2501 01:50:28,330 --> 01:50:26,100 with letters after their name uh that 2502 01:50:31,310 --> 01:50:28,340 that I don't possess 2503 01:50:34,370 --> 01:50:31,320 we've got about two billion years of 2504 01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:34,380 evolution time on this planet you know 2505 01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:36,480 we had to cool down it was lava it was 2506 01:50:43,310 --> 01:50:39,360 molten you know no oxygen and all that 2507 01:50:45,109 --> 01:50:43,320 stuff no water but we've had it's two 2508 01:50:47,149 --> 01:50:45,119 billion years 2509 01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:47,159 long enough 2510 01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,580 for this magic to happen for you and I 2511 01:50:56,689 --> 01:50:52,800 to talk about souls and Consciousness 2512 01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:56,699 and and the micro and the macro like we 2513 01:51:01,490 --> 01:50:58,800 are right we're talking about particles 2514 01:51:02,810 --> 01:51:01,500 and we're talking about the expanse of 2515 01:51:04,910 --> 01:51:02,820 the universe 2516 01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:04,920 in a conversation 2517 01:51:10,729 --> 01:51:08,239 and so we've evolved that that that 2518 01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:10,739 quickly in two billion years I don't 2519 01:51:13,370 --> 01:51:12,300 think it's long enough I think that the 2520 01:51:16,129 --> 01:51:13,380 answer 2521 01:51:20,510 --> 01:51:16,139 is is the opposite that Consciousness 2522 01:51:23,450 --> 01:51:20,520 was was here already I mean I 2523 01:51:26,570 --> 01:51:23,460 it seems like my entire life have looked 2524 01:51:29,149 --> 01:51:26,580 at the nature of 2525 01:51:31,850 --> 01:51:29,159 you know what we know and physical 2526 01:51:36,590 --> 01:51:31,860 um science in the earth and biology and 2527 01:51:40,189 --> 01:51:36,600 these systems that it is incredibly 2528 01:51:43,250 --> 01:51:40,199 um advanced technology is it you know 2529 01:51:45,229 --> 01:51:43,260 you might say like in humans commuter 2530 01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:45,239 simulation that we're creating uh 2531 01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:47,340 simulated realities and you could say 2532 01:51:52,189 --> 01:51:49,860 that this is some type of creation I 2533 01:51:57,169 --> 01:51:52,199 agree with that I mean I think that uh 2534 01:52:00,590 --> 01:51:57,179 you know biological entities are super 2535 01:52:02,689 --> 01:52:00,600 complex technology that we're now put in 2536 01:52:05,149 --> 01:52:02,699 a position where we are beginning to 2537 01:52:08,270 --> 01:52:05,159 understand it ourselves so it's like we 2538 01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:08,280 are the creation and we're looking at it 2539 01:52:12,410 --> 01:52:09,840 trying to reverse engineer the 2540 01:52:14,570 --> 01:52:12,420 technology ourselves in the beginning 2541 01:52:16,910 --> 01:52:14,580 you know we weren't able to do that or 2542 01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:16,920 it was like in all those billions of 2543 01:52:22,729 --> 01:52:19,440 years how many steps we had to take to 2544 01:52:25,550 --> 01:52:22,739 be able to develop instrumentation and 2545 01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,560 the the science discoveries and 2546 01:52:29,689 --> 01:52:27,360 breakthroughs that allow allowed us to 2547 01:52:32,090 --> 01:52:29,699 understand one piece of it there's so 2548 01:52:34,970 --> 01:52:32,100 much more we don't understand about you 2549 01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:34,980 know even ourselves nature and reality 2550 01:52:41,169 --> 01:52:39,119 you know is Way Way Beyond that but I 2551 01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:41,179 mean I I have to say that 2552 01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:45,420 this must have existed a lot longer than 2553 01:52:52,250 --> 01:52:48,600 we've been around and that you know 2554 01:52:53,810 --> 01:52:52,260 somebody had a hand in it for sure so it 2555 01:52:59,470 --> 01:52:53,820 is that 2556 01:53:03,830 --> 01:52:59,480 Green 2557 01:53:06,169 --> 01:53:03,840 physics side of it of of thought and 2558 01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:06,179 that's where creation came from I mean 2559 01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:09,000 if if you if you really look at it right 2560 01:53:17,450 --> 01:53:13,980 out of time but we're talking about time 2561 01:53:20,090 --> 01:53:17,460 um forever an infinite right 2562 01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:20,100 that's that's a long time 2563 01:53:24,530 --> 01:53:22,500 that's a big number right and it's 2564 01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,540 bigger than the number that we're 2565 01:53:30,350 --> 01:53:26,880 talking about for our own Universe of 2566 01:53:34,970 --> 01:53:30,360 13.8 billion years our son is four and a 2567 01:53:36,910 --> 01:53:34,980 half billion years old but infinite and 2568 01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:36,920 and going back before the Big Bang 2569 01:53:42,169 --> 01:53:40,320 existence and if you go with what Brian 2570 01:53:44,750 --> 01:53:42,179 Green is talking about you know a 2571 01:53:50,350 --> 01:53:44,760 hundred trillion years these are 2572 01:53:54,169 --> 01:53:50,360 ginormous numbers and that that explains 2573 01:53:58,729 --> 01:53:54,179 more about the magic of our creation 2574 01:54:01,970 --> 01:53:58,739 that this has evolved over infinite time 2575 01:54:04,430 --> 01:54:01,980 not 13.8 billion years or two billion 2576 01:54:06,649 --> 01:54:04,440 years it's not that's not long enough 2577 01:54:07,850 --> 01:54:06,659 for the evolution of us being so 2578 01:54:10,430 --> 01:54:07,860 sentient 2579 01:54:12,890 --> 01:54:10,440 yeah yeah that's true and also the the 2580 01:54:14,810 --> 01:54:12,900 systems that are so perfected I mean 2581 01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:14,820 just an individual cell cellular 2582 01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:18,000 structure in the way that our different 2583 01:54:22,189 --> 01:54:20,460 um limbic systems and our um endocrine 2584 01:54:24,350 --> 01:54:22,199 our brain and all the different physical 2585 01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,360 uh things have to come together to work 2586 01:54:29,050 --> 01:54:26,520 in harmony I mean it's it's unbelievable 2587 01:54:31,490 --> 01:54:29,060 and I know that that's why um you know 2588 01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:31,500 doctors become doctors and so on because 2589 01:54:36,290 --> 01:54:33,480 you could study that for your whole life 2590 01:54:38,510 --> 01:54:36,300 it's another problem with this topic in 2591 01:54:40,609 --> 01:54:38,520 general is that I mean I've spent the 2592 01:54:43,070 --> 01:54:40,619 last two years just trying to get a 2593 01:54:46,490 --> 01:54:43,080 basic understanding of what are some of 2594 01:54:49,070 --> 01:54:46,500 these subject areas and how you can 2595 01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,080 um sort of refine it into a way that 2596 01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,260 people can even understand I mean honest 2597 01:54:56,330 --> 01:54:54,480 to God I mean you know you start talking 2598 01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,340 about Consciousness people like they're 2599 01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:58,800 they're kind of like you know roll their 2600 01:55:02,689 --> 01:55:01,560 eyes and like oh God you know like do I 2601 01:55:04,609 --> 01:55:02,699 do we really want to have this 2602 01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,619 conversation because 2603 01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:07,199 it's no one really is on the same page 2604 01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:09,420 on it it's like just a word and it just 2605 01:55:20,030 --> 01:55:17,510 they can't measure it they can't touch 2606 01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,040 it they can't feel it therefore right 2607 01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,320 it's not they're not going to spend time 2608 01:55:28,270 --> 01:55:24,960 thinking about it but they know that 2609 01:55:31,550 --> 01:55:28,280 they can think about it 2610 01:55:33,709 --> 01:55:31,560 it just doesn't make any sense it's true 2611 01:55:36,410 --> 01:55:33,719 yeah yeah yeah yeah just because you 2612 01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:36,420 can't measure it what a fascinating show 2613 01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:39,060 tonight Dave and uh I can't wait for the 2614 01:55:44,270 --> 01:55:42,000 film uh to come out just keep doing your 2615 01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:44,280 thing and and again thank you so much 2616 01:55:50,570 --> 01:55:48,239 and and uh this whole night 2617 01:55:53,990 --> 01:55:50,580 think about the first 30 minutes before 2618 01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:54,000 the show tonight and and what what ended 2619 01:55:58,189 --> 01:55:55,679 up happening just a perfect perfect 2620 01:55:59,750 --> 01:55:58,199 night on the show thank you so much well 2621 01:56:03,830 --> 01:55:59,760 you know I don't know if you notice that 2622 01:56:06,169 --> 01:56:03,840 in my camera I have a Canon that um uh 2623 01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,179 just kept like you know shutting off um 2624 01:56:09,590 --> 01:56:07,920 because I guess it must have a heat 2625 01:56:11,450 --> 01:56:09,600 sensor or something so I was like 2626 01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:11,460 reaching up and finally I just put my 2627 01:56:15,229 --> 01:56:13,080 Mac on because I know that would keep 2628 01:56:17,090 --> 01:56:15,239 working but I mean really I'm like what 2629 01:56:19,729 --> 01:56:17,100 if the camera just died in the middle of 2630 01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,739 the the show or whatever so well I I 2631 01:56:24,770 --> 01:56:22,320 I've got news for you 2632 01:56:26,990 --> 01:56:24,780 the Mac has got a better lens than the 2633 01:56:29,390 --> 01:56:27,000 Canon I'd sell the Canon shoot all your 2634 01:56:32,090 --> 01:56:29,400 movies on your Mac from now on just take 2635 01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:32,100 the laptop around and and shoot with 2636 01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:34,080 that Dave Beatty you're the absolute 2637 01:56:39,590 --> 01:56:36,960 best my friend thank you so much 2638 01:56:43,490 --> 01:56:39,600 perfect night of the show perfect night 2639 01:56:45,410 --> 01:56:43,500 on the show and uh thank you Dave and uh 2640 01:56:48,169 --> 01:56:45,420 I want to remind everybody about what's 2641 01:56:50,810 --> 01:56:48,179 going on tomorrow 2642 01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:50,820 um check this out 2643 01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:54,060 there's a new movie out it is called and 2644 01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:55,920 I've seen it it's called a flash of 2645 01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,760 beauty Bigfoot revealed tomorrow night I 2646 01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:01,679 have the co-producing director Brett 2647 01:57:06,410 --> 01:57:04,800 eisenberger is with us tomorrow night so 2648 01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,420 if you want to check out the film it's 2649 01:57:11,689 --> 01:57:08,639 called the flashy Beauty Bigfoot 2650 01:57:13,490 --> 01:57:11,699 revealed tomorrow night that's what's 2651 01:57:15,770 --> 01:57:13,500 happening on Fade to Black thank you so 2652 01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:15,780 much thank you Dave Beatty what a 2653 01:57:20,990 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